any idiot who labels Sal's post as revisionist history is living in denialof the facts.
________________________________ From: danfriedman2002 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Not the kind of thing Bucky wants to hear, that the renegades are going great guns! This piece of Movement history [psssssssssssssssst Mike, it's "Revisionist History as Retold by Sal to his devoted listeners"] to me shows just what a venal, spiteful piece of trash Marshy really was. His own greed caused the teachers to defect [Mike, try to stay with real-world facts. Makes life more sensible and not irrational] and he tried, stupidly to punish them by declaring that no one could teach TM in the UK - how could the idiot possibly think the ones who defected would pay any attention to his bs? The ones who got hurt were his loyal initiators. [Is this your testimony as a 'loyal initiator'? Or maybe something else?...I think...]When they saw what he was doing, the loyal ones should have followed their mates and everyone should have left[Is that what you did, as a loyal initiator or as a baker?]. How anyone can look at this level of grade school having a fit cause people won't gimme what I want on Marshy's part and still think he's some kind of saint is a testament to just how willing some people are to live in total denial of facts and live the bliss of illusion. [Yes Michael, you ARE THE BEST JUDGE OF WHETHER OTHERS ARE LIVING IN TOTAL DENIAL OF FACTS AND LIVING THE BLISS OF ILLUSION.] ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Contemporary TM and teaching in the UK ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Sal, what became of the TM teachers who fragmented from the movement? Just wondering, they seemed organized and found some presentation independent of the Vlodrop movement. Do they still have a public presence or are they underground? -Buck They are doing very well indeed: Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation Courses in the UK with the Meditation Trust Transcendental Meditation courses affordable for everyone with fees up to 50% lower than other TM courses in UK & Europe View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo They teach a lot of people and hold courses, even teaching the "siddhis". The TMO are seething about it and keep trying to get them legally banned but they don't have a case. I think that if the Scorpionland debacle was Marshy's only way of coping with the fact that people didn't like the devious and stupid way the movement was run then they were right to leave. Remember how it started, the price doubled at the same time that Marshy was ordering teachers to try and teach as many as possible. The "renegade" teachers were complaining that if - as they sincerely believed because they'd been told that by the Reesh himself - the world was in imminent danger the price should surely come down to get more people to learn to "create the coherence to save the world". They were told that wasn't up for discussion, I know because I was on the conference call where they were told to keep ranks and not rock the boat. The whole thing was a continuation of years of mismanagement and they quit, taking a huge amount of business with them. Greed and inflexibility from the TMO was the cause of this, these people were devoted to the teaching and still are. I know someone in both camps and he was saying that the last unofficial course he went on the meditators they taught were asking him how much he'd been brainwashed by the movement "because they do that don't they". He denied any thing of the sort, but then he doesn't read the comments here! #salyavin808, Thanks for the synopsis. The scorpion nation fell from grace originally because a bunch of old UK TM teachers broke ranks from policy edicts they saw as out of touch and were teaching the old way, independently. Damn scorpions. Is there still a scorpion independent [renegade] group of TM teachers teaching meditation in the UK? They stood off Vlodrop, had an association and a web-page at one point which was daring. Is that who you are talking about doing well teaching transcending meditation or is it the new TM movement returned? What do you see there? I have a friend who was on an early India course with Maharishi, he told the story of some female course participant coming out of her hut alarmed about a scorpion on the wall inside her hut. Satyananda come out to look, took his sandal off in hand and smacked the scorpion dead on the wall. That is how Indians deal with poisonous bugs.. Summary execution. Take that as a lesson. Evidently the Scots breaking from the UK and rule from 700 miles away is a recurring theme in that culture. Sort of like the old UK TM teachers breaking from the Rajas of Vlodrop and Maharishi at a time. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74. wrote I mainly wrote the post to poke Buck et al. Now, if one were to believe in the occult power of TMSP in groups, the proverbial Marshy Effect, would one believe the YF groups in the UK would affect the outcome of the vote which way, yea or nay? salyavin808 writes: They would indeed claim that, but the trouble is no one knows which side is the actual "correct" one that "nature" might support. Maybe they'll claim it was the ME from all the new meditators if it all works out well. But if the whole island goes tits-up they'll have to come up with a reason why it didn't work. Again. But the, Marshy was a nationalist and wanted all countries to stick together and be ruled by their indigenous people as they will be closest to the "natural laws" of the country. So any remaining picts will be the natural leaders of Scotland, painted blue of course. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : I love all the Scorpions but I am especially fond of the Scots and hope they all vote a resounding "Yes!" and immediately outlaw the practice of TMSP and make it illegal to advertise TM in any way, shape or form. LOL, you really don't like it do you! Here's the news, TM is very popular in Glasgow and the teacher there makes a good living from it. Edinburgh TM are doing well and are building a vastu centre. There is already one of those in Aberdeen (I think) which is my ancestral home. I love Scotland too but I hope they vote "No" because the chaos for both countries will be amazing and we'd be stuck with the Tory scum forever. They want a decent welfare state but there's only 4 million people there which won't raise enough taxes to pay for it without the massive bonus they've been getting from the English tax payer, and without the pound they will be in trouble as the Eurozone looks pretty much finished as usual and are unlikely to want another broke country to bail out. If I lived there I would probably vote "Yes" though, just to not be ruled by from 700 miles away by the shower of bastards we've got at the moment. This profound wisdom and practical move will of course be followed by Ireland and Wales after they declare independence from the Isle of Edward Longshanks and of course David Lynch will be prevented from ever coming to any of the three new countries. If he sneaks in he will be arrested and incarcerated. Any and all TM owned properties will be nationalized, sold and the the proceeds given to citizens who paid various amounts of money to learn TM, TMSP, go on courses and so on. When this happens and the word goes out, let's see how many of the TM faithful will remain faithful and how many want to put in a claim and get that fat purse. All written with the knowledge of how much Buck and his frens on FFL will love the post. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Important Question for Sal ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Alright Sal, we all know that in a few days the Scots will vote on whether or not to form their own country. Now forget all the nonsense about whether the country will prosper by itself. The real question is: if the Scots create an independent country, will they no longer be considered Scorpions? As part of the UK were they originally considered Scorpions? Good question, I would say that us English were the scorpions because we probably took over Scotland and the other two and they've never really been happy about it. Feel free to like them but continue to dislike me if they vote yes. Or was Scorpionland just England proper, excluding Ireland, Scotland and Wales not to mention the Islands, or was it all just one big land of Scorpions? Mind you, the SAS will be nothing without the Scots, and it there was a lot of Welsh archers inflicting so much damage at Agincourt, so maybe you'd better keep hating all of us just in case...
