--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > For example, in another post akasha complains that
> > > only violent crime statistics were studied 
> > 
> > Not a complaint, just an observation.
> > 
> > > < and
> > > expresses suspicion that the researchers left out
> > > statistics on nonviolent crime because they didn't
> > > demonstrate any effect.
> >    
> > Yes, thats not a high crime on their part. If they found non violent
> > crimes went down dramatically, I am confident the summary of the 
> > study would highlight non-violent crimes. Don't you?
> 
> They wouldn't have found that nonviolent crimes went
> down dramatically because they weren't looking at
> nonviolent crime statistics because the study was on
> violent crime only.
> 
> <duh>
> 
>  Really? Thats how
> > analysis under pressure works. Its what happens in the real world.
> > People make their best case. Not a high crime. But one needs to be
> > aware that the researchers here, as in many other places, had
> > incentives to look for answers that met sponsors desires and
> > expecatations.
> 
> For God's sake, they *predicted* that violent
> crime would drop by 20 percent when they announced
> the demonstration project.  This is the TMO,
> remember?  TM True Believer researchers.  They
> weren't trying to please sponsors, they were out to
> confirm their own convictions.
> 
> > No different from 1000's of corporate analysts. And
> > 100's of non-profit foundation analysts. But maybe you have to have
> > "been there" in various situations and cases to understand this.
> 
> It isn't a matter of *understanding* it, it's a
> GIVEN.  Good *grief*, akasha.  You're just not
> paying attention.
> 
> They announced, with great fanfare, that the project
> would demonstrate a 20 percent drop in violent crime.
> They announced the protocol of the study that was 
> going to prove it beforehand.
> 
> Can you *imagine* the horselaughs if they'd turned
> around and used nonviolent crime because the stats
> were better?  Get real!
> 
> They never even considered looking at nonviolent
> crime.  That isn't what they were out to prove.


okie dokie. 







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