*So, you don't want to talk about the Rotherham scandal cover-up. Go figure.*
*South Yorkshire's police and crime commissioner Shaun Wright, who has resigned over the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. Photograph: Lynne Cameron/PA* The Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/16/rotherham-child-sex-abuse-pcc-shaun-wright-resigns > On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Two little stories for you. Both rather pertinent to your comments below > as they show how the TMO expect to be treated by the press, or would prefer > to be anyway... > > I was on a course in '96 I think it was, and one of the tapes shown, after > the mornings TMSP session was an interview with John Hagelin by someone > purporting to be a presenter on some sort of apparently serious news > discussion show. It was so obviously faked, it stank to high heaven of > set-up but it was funny to watch. For me anyway. What happened was you had > Hagelin in a studio with intro music and titles (World Affairs or something > similar) and the presenter asked him what he had to tell us, JH gave a > typical intro talk about the Marshy Effect research and the "interviewer" > asked a few pathetically and transparently easy set-up questions and JH > then assured him that the science was good and well reported and peer > reviewed etc. It took about 20 minutes and was nothing but buttery stroking > of JH's ego. > > After the tape had ended and I'd stopped smirking we went down to dinner > and the conversation was of the order of "wasn't that fascinating? I wonder > when it was broadcast?" I couldn't believe it, I don't think it was just my > background in public relations that helped me smell the rat, it was so > obvious. But if you want to see it as true then it was an easy and > effective confirmation. I left no one in any doubt of my opinion about it > (namely that the only place it had been broadcast is John Hagelin's wet > dreams). But I didn't take it up with the course leader, which I should > have done but I thought it was funny that they needed to fake it. I > imagined JH coming up against Paxman on Newsnight and thought that would be > unlikely to be shown on a course to people trying to rest. LOL > > Or was it something more sinister? Were they trying to aggrandize the > research by getting us to think it had survived some sort of media > scrutiny, however limp and anodyne. Lying to make us believe it because > other people did? > > My other story concerned the day I saved the TMO from just such a fate as > the interview we were talking about. We were in the Media office and a > request came through to have Geoffrey Clements on a Channel 4 prog hosted > by one Graham Norton. There was real excitement about it as C4 is a major > channel, but I put a stop to it for the very good reason that it was > post-pub viewing and Norton is a notoriously sarcastic interviewer who > revels in making people uncomfortable. The whole programme is the opposite > of the sort of stage the TMO, especially the leader of the NLP, would want > to be on. He never would have coped either, the place would have been full > of drunk teenagers laughing at him. The opposite of the sort of reception > he gets in the TMO where everyone had to give him respect because he was > Marshy's choice of top dog. We were better off in our stately homes away > from the prying and cynical eyes of the press I thought. > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : > > *From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote : > > Excellent find, prison boy! That "reporter" came in all arrogant, and > muck-raking, wanting to do his hit piece, and Maharishi tells him basically > to fuck off, and leave the building! Priceless! Watched it twice. > > I disagree that the reporter was arrogant, there he was confronted with a > bunch of deluded fruitcakes who think they can fly, and who are also doing > shady deals to gain property in his country, he's damn right to be > suspicious. Trouble is, a lot of people here lack the objectivity to see > that they are mixed up in something so bizarre and lacking foundation. > > It's more than a little scary that people like sometimes-rational feste > don't see the insanity in this news clip that 99.99% of the world's > population would see. Maharishi is just fuckin' GONE, man, which one might > attribute just to senility and old age, if it weren't for the fact that > most of the other people who represent the TMO in the segment are equally > GONE. Bevan has never *been* more embarrassing than he was in this bit, and > that's really saying something. > > I still think that a lot of it w.r.t. the brainwashing is the "frog in the > pot" syndrome. Yeah, I know it's probably a real phenomenon, but the > metaphor was that if you put a frog in a pot of hot water, he recognizes > the threat to life and just jumps out. Put a frog in cold water and slowly > raise the temperature, and he'll just sit there and allow himself to be > boiled to death because he gets used to it in small increments. > > That's what happened to formerly rational TMers. The brainwashing "snuck > up on them" over a period of years and decades. Over that time they got > used to seeing things around them that would sent had them running for the > exits if they'd been allowed to see them during their first months with TM, > but by the time they *did* get to see them they'd been trained to consider > these things "normal." > > This is what is scariest to normal 99.99% people watching clips like this > one. It's *not* the craziness of the principals, like Maharishi and Bevan > and "King" Tony -- it's the craziness of people like feste who make excuses > for them, and write off their obvious insanity by claiming the interview > was a "hatchet job." Now *that* is scary. You'd almost *expect* the leaders > of a worldwide cult to be crazy, but the everyday followers of the cult? > > When I was a newbie meditator I was filled with the usual fervent zeal of > the newly converted, convinced I'd discovered some truth that has eluded > the mainstream. Imagine my surprise when the Sunday Times did (for some > reason) a round up of cults and what they were all about. I was shocked to > see TM in there at all but the fact they got a maximum loony rating seemed > amazing at the time. But I didn't know anything about them then. You need > to be on the inside not to see it. > > Exactly. Part of the *definition* of "being on the inside" is having been > sufficiently brainwashed to consider these levels of insanity normal. > > The scariest part, from my point of view, is that once one has made an > internal (and rarely conscious) decision to accept this level of craziness > as normal, it's very, very, very, very difficult to ever be able to see it > another way. Once brainwashed, people tend to *stay* brainwashed, unless > they have a great deal of personal power and will and an inability to be > coerced by cult peer pressure. > > Marshy came over very badly I thought, were you convinced that the reason > he refused to meet in person is because he found that new people waste his > time? > > He was *clearly* reacting to the reporter's 'tude, which refused to give > him the suck-up obeisance he'd gotten used to getting from almost everyone. > So he did what all Narcissistic Personality Disordered people do in > situations like that, and tried to "regain control" by stalking off. Think > Robin Carlsen stalking off from FFL when no one would treat *him* the way > he expected to be treated. > > What sort of crappy excuse is that. "Can you fly?" is a perfectly > reasonable question to someone who makes a fortune out of telling others > they can. > > It certainly is. Especially when you've got top-level toadies like Bevan > claiming that he could. > > And the faux grovelling outrage by Bev and Da king convinced me not at all. > > That *was* interesting, wasn't it. I got the feeling that at least Tony > realized what an ass he was making of himself, but Bevan had nary a clue. > He was as "out of it" and as unconscious of what constitutes normal > behavior as lifetime schizophrenics I used to see in a state mental > hospital I once worked in for a short time. > > Bottom line, someone didn't take them seriously and they didn't like it. > > Exactly. Furthermore, this "someone" had access to the media and about > halfway through the interview they realized they didn't. I think that one > reason Maharishi reacted the way that he did (like a petulant, > narcissistic, spoiled brat of a child) is that he realized *during this > interview* that it was OVER for him in terms of the general public buying > his act. There was a day when he could have charmed even a reporter like > this. But no more. This guy was treating him the way he would have treated > any other crook, and Maharishi couldn't allow that to continue so that the > sycophants around him could witness it. Better to stalk off in a snit and > pretend that he held the upper hand than to allow them to see that he'd > been thoroughly bested by an average-intelligence Australian TV reporter. > > I think that this news clip should be shown to every sucker school, > company, and military organization that has been bamboozled into taking > David Lynch's spiels seriously. No preaching, no lobbying...just sit the > principals of the organization down and ask them to watch this clip before > deciding on whether to pour money down the TM toilet and flush it. I > suspect that the outcome would be *exactly* what holding-on-for-dear-life > True Believers fear it would be -- NO ONE would ever take the TMO claims as > anything other than madness ever again. > > Just think about the buzzword that Maharishi was trying to sell as a > product during this clip -- "Invincibility." Here he was claiming that TM > and the TMSP would make whole nations "invincible" and he was so fragile > and so emotionally out of control and so intimidated by a TV reporter that > he reacted like a petulant child and stalked off. Some "invincibility," eh? > > Just as an aside, isn't it fascinating that Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash > thinks Maharishi's "stalk off when someone asks a question he doesn't want > to answer" routine is a "win?" That, after all, is JIM's act whenever > someone brings up something *he* doesn't want to deal with (like pretending > to be a woman for months on FFL). He gets angry, loses all self control, > and then stalks off himself, dropping out of sight, often returning later > with a new ID and hoping everyone has forgotten how much he embarrassed > himself. As cult leader, so like cult follower...Jimbo is parroting not > only Maharishi's dumbass dogma, he's mimicking his behavior. > > This is just what people suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder > DO. They attempt to control those around them, and if that attempt fails, > they either find a way to get rid of them (excommunication, firing them, > sending them home from a course, canceling the interview), or leave > themselves (stalking off in a snit). > > > --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : > > Great find, Geez. > > It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many > people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's > so insane it hurts to look at him. > > I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry > and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM > sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, "I mean...its > surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*." :-) > :-) :-) > > Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True > Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be > better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This > is not a "hit job." This is what rational people in the real world think of > TM True Believers. And they're right. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over > > > Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. > > Maharishi Exposed <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > [image: image] <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > Maharishi Exposed <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. > View on www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : > > Great find, Geez. > > It's quite an experience watching this and listening to Maharishi and many > people I know personally, just after reading Sam Harris' new book. Bevan's > so insane it hurts to look at him. > > I love the Australian announcer's way of putting things...it's very dry > and witty and Sam Harris-like. For example, standing in front of the MUM > sign with the flying dome in the background, saying, "I mean...its > surreal...students here studying physics who believe they can *fly*." :-) > :-) :-) > > Rather than lashing out at this news report as we all know some True > Believers on this forum are girding their loins to do, I think they'd be > better served by actually listening to it again and paying attention. This > is not a "hit job." This is what rational people in the real world think of > TM True Believers. And they're right. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "geezerfreak@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:03 PM > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Established in Being, let anger take over > > > Wait for the MMY interview 30 seconds in. > > Maharishi Exposed <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > [image: image] <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > Maharishi Exposed <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > This feature is not available right now. Please try again later. > View on www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGc1yTDU8Fs> > Preview by Yahoo > > > > > > >
