--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Even if the seeker is looking for the meaning of life a good guru 
guides 
> not controls.  He shows the way instead of forcing it.  The 
student has 
> to see from the teaching and of course the student can fail too.

OK. I am a firm believer though others may disagree that we get 
whatever we need, and if we want a good teacher and are persistent 
we will find one. And if we really want enlightenment, we get it.

The confusion for the West comes in because our technology teaches 
us that results can be instantaneous, with minimal effort and focus 
on our part (e.g. the difference between taking an ox cart vs a jet 
plane from NYC to Chicago).

So when we begin seeking for enlightenment, nearly anyone saying the 
right stuff will convince us, for a little while anyway, that they 
have the answer.

The trick is to avoid getting discouraged and declaring the whole 
concept is crap, or settling for much less and moodmaking, and 
instead, being absolutely persistent in reaching the goal of 
liberation, which whether one is in heaven or hell, can be achieved. 





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