Yes you are one of those "progressive" ones, who have understood all and set off for free flight in mere wide and infinite space:-). I wish and pray for you that you are not ending up in mere emptiness !
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From: "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Earth turns around the sun not the other way: (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of spinach...)
>I completely disagree with your analys simply because TM isn't
> necessary repetition at all.
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:
>> >> > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the
>> >> MMY was
>> >> > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the
>> >> details of that
>> >> > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip
>> >> India
>> >> > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the
>> >> Westerners. So
>> >> > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began
>> >> experimenting on
>> >> > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this
>> >> from one of
>> >> > them).
>> This seems to be mere speculation without argumentative basis. It
> is the
>> same way typically mystifying circumstances as you are claiming
> them instead
>> of as "to have been the cause of Maharishi's decision".
>> The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the
>> Samyama-principle: Dharana ("fixing"), dhyana ("gliding") and
>> ("landing"). These three parameters (always) form the natural
> movement of
>> the mind. The result is "concentrating" (ekagrata parinama). In TM
> you start
>> with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on
>> Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the
> siddhis the
>> fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on
>> ("coming back to the simplest form of awareness" -= siddhi-
> instruction). By
>> this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation =
>> manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind.
>> The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came
>> >> out when
>> >> > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in
>> > the
>> >> UK in
>> >> > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you
>> >> get one of
>> >> > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon
>> > after
>> >> the
>> >> > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It
>> >> still
>> >> > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded
>> >> research.
>> Yes you think but you don't know it. And anyhow it would not have
> made any
>> difference: In Science either theory precedes experience or vice
> versa. This
>> is nothing unusual. Important is that later on theory and practice
> or the
>> other way round have to match this or that way.
>> >> > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was
>> >> about
>> >> > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent
>> > countless
>> >> hours
>> >> > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was
>> >> foisted on him
>> >> > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots.
>> Was there any harm in it ?
>> > was
>> >> tickled
>> >> > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get
>> > 10%
>> >> of the
>> >> > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't
>> >> this
>> >> > particular point has much to do with the failure of the
>> For sure he was looking for some more efficient formula. But this
> was just
>> for principle reasons and has nothing to do with how many people
> were meant
>> to be practicing TM.
>> The failure of the movement is by the way its present success. 99%
> of the
>> TM-Teachers all over the world have been leaving the movement. Many
> of them
>> are still teaching. That is, what Maharishi wanted. Because it
> secured that
>> the secret agents in the movement have no access anymore to destroy
>> movement. Their assumed success of having been destroying now had
> become a
>> success for Maharishi to have made so many minds become
> independent, not
>> anymore bound to the master. This is the lesson of freedom
> Maharishi taught
>> to us. He is always one step ahead.
>> The ideal of 10,000 or so at one place can grow now from the very
> grass root
>> level. Once it has been established from there it will never be
>> anymore. Maharishi 1979 in Seelisberg: "I have to play a global
> game, which
>> you may not understand, but which will prevent the movement from
>> destruction. I have to keep the appearance of the movement
> ridiculous. Those
>> who are able to think from the heart will yet join and be with us."
>> It is now up to us to organize and realize this ideal step by step.
>> >> Although
>> >> > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable
>> > folks
>> >> who were
>> >> > beginning to take it seriously.
>> What should these folks have been taking more serious than the
> siddhis and
>> scientific research on TM ? All this sounds a bit talkative from
> your end.
>> In order to reach Kaivalya even the Karma Mimamsa Sutras and the
>> Sutras have to be practiced according to the Samyama-Principle.
> Only under
>> these circumstances the Siddhis could unfold to full extent anyhow.
>> >> Thanks Rick, for the History lesson, I needed it. At any rate, it
>> >> really
>> >> supports my contention that MMY has rested the entire welfare of
>> > the
>> >> TMorg's success on these bogus studies!!
>> There were no bogus studies, there were only bogus interpretations
>> those watery wisdoms in the recent mail "Where is the truth ?",
>> pseudo-yogies are typically misguiding people's minds, ending up in
>> confusion like "everything is truth").
>> It's psuedo-science, it
>> >> hasn't been proven satisfactorily. Remember.."thru the window of
>> >> science".
>> There was nothing wrong in that statement. But science on TM got
>> suppressed by CIA and other conspiraceous groups. Why the fourth
> state of
>> consciousness has not yet been part of general physiology so far ?
>> We might as well replace Guru Dev's picture with that of
>> >> the greatest scientest of our age, the great John Hagelin!!
>> >> biggest mistake was, is, and always will be, the Siddhi's
>> The biggest mistake is that people are obviously not practicing
> this program
>> regularly, because it is time-consuming, and money does not rain
> from the
>> sky in order to allow a man to invest so much time in that daily.
>> Viktor Schauberger from Austria similar like Tesslar had shown the
> way to
>> get out of dependence already in the Thirties (he was one of the
> fathers of
>> discovering the reality of "free energy").
>> If we had his technologies as part of our homes meanwhile, we all
> would find
>> more time to excercise the siddhis regularly.
>> > Unless you happen to find the Siddhis program of personal use, of
>> > course...
>> I definitely find it of personal use. Don't critizize the master so
>> change and deepen your vision !
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