--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > on 11/12/05 10:56 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> on 11/12/05 9:33 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>> To think that the primary technique of TM would EVER take a 
> back
> > > seat
> > >>> to Haglin's pseudo-scientific Siddhi's program is amazing to 
> me.
> > >> 
> > >> Why are you attributing ownership or authorship of the Sidhi
> > > program to
> > >> Hagelin? Hagelin wasn't a major player in the movement when
> > > Maharishi came
> > >> out with the sidhi program. Sounds to me like you're trying to
> > > shift blame
> > >> away from Maharishi. Common mistake. He calls the shots and 
> always
> > > has. Deal
> > >> with it.
> > > 
> > > I'm implying that MMY has swallowed Hagelin's research 
> as 'proof'!  I
> > > think the jury is still out as to the relative numbers required 
> to
> > > create such an effect. I realize that it was at the suggestion
> > > of 'another' yogi (apparently) that MMY came out with this 
> totally
> > > premature yogic flying, etc. MMY really thinks you only need the
> > > square root of 1% of the population (yada, yada) to shift 
trends 
> in
> > > the world...BASED ON HAGELIN'S RESEARCH! Who's the Yogi and 
> who's the
> > > chela now???  Hummm, think about it, it explains everything!
> > 
> > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the guy 
> MMY was
> > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the 
> details of that
> > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip to 
> India
> > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the 
> Westerners. So
> > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began 
> experimenting on
> > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this account 
> from one of
> > them). The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came 
> out when
> > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in 
the 
> UK in
> > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you can 
> get one of
> > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon 
after 
> the
> > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It was 
> still
> > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded the 
> research.
> > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was bandied 
> about
> > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent 
> countless hours
> > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was 
> foisted on him
> > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots. He 
was 
> tickled
> > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get 
10% 
> of the
> > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't think 
> this
> > particular point has much to do with the failure of the movement. 
> Although
> > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable 
> folks who were
> > beginning to take it seriously.
> 
> A group of Norwegian TM-Teachers, including me, did learn the TM-
> Sidhi-Techniques in 1978 directly from MMY, for free. MMY gave us 
> the techniques and explained how they worked. Nandkishore was 
> sometimes with him. Once we asked a question to Nandkishore: If we 
> do not have time to do the whole program, what should we give 
> priority". His answer was: "The Asanas and the Pranayama". I did 
not 
> understand why he did not say "The TM-Sidhi-Techniques". Every 
month 
> we did send our experiences with the TM-Sidhi-Program to MMY, not 
> always telling the truth. It was some kind of Mass-Hypnosis - 
always 
> waiting to fly in the air. But we did not pay for the courses - so 
> maybe we were among the students that MMY tried out the program 
> with. 
> Ingegerd
> >
>

Huh, I would think it would be TM first, not asanas, since that is 
what people were taught prior to the sidhis..






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