I love ya Hagen! I'd pick you for my team anytime.
--- "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > You may remember the commentary on the Bhagavadgita, > where Maharishi > described the necessity to challenge one's master in > order to make him set > free more knowledge. (By the way this challenge > according to my opinion is > not being taking place sufficiently by his > disciples). > > Now after this introductory citation I come back to > the main general point > by whose solution your fundamental questioning of > authority makes most of > the consecutive doubtfully interposed questions at > least formally obsolete. > > I myself took the opportunity to challenge Maharishi > several times in my > life in direct contact, in order to get the > validation of that answer, which > I have already been giving to myself through mere > setting free of inherent > CI (= Creative Intelligence). This is the > self-evident purpose and result of > this spiritual practice (self-unfolding in double > sense of the word). > > In one case I brought my challenge to the peak > point, because I dared to > doubt about an old-established model even, which > Maharishi had launched as > one of his most fundamental ones. The reaction of > the master gave me the > proof that it was worth to herald him at such high > esteem, because his > answer was clear, modest and onepointed; I told him > that the bubble-diagram > must be wrong, because transcending according to the > law of irreversability > of processes in nature dictates the mind to walk in > one direction only, and > that is from Atman (point value of inifinity = > smaller than the smallest) to > Brahman (expanded value of infinity = bigger than > the biggest). In fact > smaller than the smallest is essentially the same as > bigger than the > biggest. This is the only reason, why the mind is > enabled to transcend, that > is to say just by rescuing itself in the most > expanded value in order to be > able to come back to the "starting point" of all > manífestation. So I said to > Maharishi, "Transcending is a process of constant > engrossment of the mantra > until it reaches its most expanded value and such > the mind alone can find > back to its source." Without hesitation Maharishi > agreed. It was in late > summer 1979 at the Golden Hall at > Seelisberg-Switzerland. He literrally said > to me in presence of the audience: "You are > absolutely right in what you > say. We just held this model as a working model for > practical reasons only." > > So thinking by yourself is not only allowed but > vital necessary, as already > the great philosopher Immanuel Kant found out. His > maxims of human thinking > (= emancipation) were: > > 1. Think ! > 2. Think by yourself ! > 3. Think consecutively ! > 4. Think up to the end ! > > Very often I have to doubt, whether meditators - in > their tendency to > regressive development - have ever come beyond stage > "2". Whereas the > majority of the population at average moves at least > somwhere in between > stage 2 and 3. A genuine spiritual seeker is > expetced to range somewhere > between thinking level 3 and 4. > > Maharishi has never taught to surrender in a > non-critical manner. This are > old-fashioned concepts out of the moth's chest of > topsy-turby theories on > Yoga, where constantly cause and effect got > fatalistically turned upside > down (best example: "concentration is the input of > meditation" even though > it is the output of the interaction of the three > gunas in the mind (= > samyama, which leads to the state of "ekagrata > parinama" or constant flow of > the mind in one thought (= what is meant by the real > meaning of the word > "concentration"). And this again is identical with > the state of at least > savikalpa-samadhi). Samadhi is by the way also a > constant process and not a > static state, the same way as diving is always going > along with some effort > to be able to stay underneath the surface and not a > static notion, staying > at one spot without further invested dynamics. > > Now further to your questions as inserts; > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jason Spock > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Earth turns around > the sun not the other way: > (How MMY sold a diamond (TM) for a handful of > spinach...) > > > > functioning based on the principle of > three gunas: Rishi - > Davata- Chanddhas > > Is this the exact term Maharishi uses to > discribe these three things.?? > "Gunas" > As I preliminarily introduced it is not important > to ask, whether > Maharishi used to describe this manner, but whether > it could make sense to > describe it in such manner. And the answer will be > "yes", if you ask your > own "Maharishi" (= the complete seer) inside > yourself. That is the best > Maharishi you could ever have and he will always > match with the outer > Maharishi, which should always be the mile-stone and > your measure-scale but > never your mental hurdle (just because you do not > want to come out of your > childish self-dependent making attitude, which has > nothing to do with > devotion but only with obsequiousness). > > You can fix a thought (or a an object), > but it has to > automatically turn into something else, otherwise it > would "burn" a hole in > your mind, in case it stayed at the same spot. > > The object turns into something else.?? > Everything turns at every > moment in the universe. Nothing stays static. This > is the constant flow of > creative intelligence ("intelligence becomes > intelligent" SCI-Course). The > gunas are always on the move. Even if you reflect on > the relation between > "you and "you" only, you will find out easily, that > there is always a shift > between subject-self and object-self back and forth. > > How does it burn a "hole" in the Mind.?? The mind > also needs a > "sreen-saver" like a computer. If the focus is too > much on one point, > imbalance is being created and damage this way or > that way is at hand. On > creating such an imbalance typically the > Zen-meditation technique is based > for example. Totally unnatural and therefore "either > ridiculous or > dangerous" (Maharishi on "Other techniques", > SCI-Course). > > Samadhi is the sattwa guna of the mind > (pure ground of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/