salyavin,so one question might be: what gives rise to something infinitely
dense and infinitely hot? What's the simplest answer to that? Would a single
wobbly electron do that? Maybe there's a moment in quantum tunneling that gives
rise to that heat and density. And I wonder what is symmetry in the context of
the Uncertainty Principle. Is there a nanosecond (you can tell I'm fond of
those!) where it is both a wave and a particle? Or neither?
I can see why people become physicists (-:
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hebrew Language is The DNA of Creation
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, I think the 2 simplest answers are:
the universe never started; it just always wasor, the universe is starting at
every nanosecond.Which one of these is most wobbly, do you think?
Hmmm, well the first can be disproved because the universe is expanding, if
it's getting bigger it must once have been smaller. Amazingly if you run the
whole thing backwards you can get everything in it to a state where it was
infinitely dense and infinitely hot. From there the maths describes exactly
what we see and in the order it must have appeared. There's a book called
"Universe: the first three minutes" that goes into it in some detail.
But what was there before it? A better question might be: what could have been
there before it? Perhaps the death of a previous universe? Apparently not,
which is good because it spares us an infinite regress. According to Hawking
there could have been a universe with time running backwards - but I know not
why!
One thing is very likely and that it existed in a state of perfect symmetry -
Buck's beloved unified field - all the forces we see now folded back into one
miniscule space/time event. The thing about symmetry is that it doesn't last
and it would have broken up as soon as it appeared, try balancing a pencil on
its end for the same effect.
That's about as small and wobbly as anyone has got; if there was nothing there
would instantly have to be something. If it didn't make sense I'd think it was
bonkers too... but it's the simplest explanation and even the maths adds up but
if there's more to it I cannot say.
Our anti-woo woo pal Victor Stenger, wrote a paper showing how quantum
tunnelling could have started the process, this means that there was a
probability of it happening simply because the first electron had a probability
of being there. And so it was. I can't comment on it because I haven't heard
anyone else say that quantum probability is a time based event as well as a
spatial one.
But a single electron wobbling backwards and forwards in time is a small and
wobbly event indeed. So I'll stop there.
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hebrew Language is The DNA of Creation
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, ok, how are you with sound waves traveling through space and air?
What do you think is the source of creation?
Sound waves won't travel through space.
Let's be clear, god couldn't be the source of creation as he would have had to
exist before it. Therefore he wasn't the beginning. So it's no explanation
because unless you account for the existence of god you are just pushing the
required start time further back.
It's all just a way of saying it was magic. But what we know from magic tricks
here is that someone must have thought of it and knows how it works, and the
only way we know of for the sort of required complexity for magic tricks to
arise is through evolution, and if god evolved then he might as well not have
existed as we don't need him as an explanation anymore because the universe
must just have been existing before the bit we live in did and his bit had
evolved like our bit with him in it. An infinite regress. So our bit might just
as well be considered the first bit because the initial conditions would be the
same and you still won't have explained where the bit he lived in came from.
God is not an answer, it's a way of saying that you don't know what question to
ask and would rather not think about it. But that's OK, it's the human default
mode when confronted with the inexplicable.
Maybe we won't ever be able to be absolutely certain about how the universe
started, but like all complex things it will turn out to have a simple
explanation. They always do. Some sort of wobbly quantum flux thing probably.
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hebrew Language is The DNA of Creation
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, this brought to mind Marshall McLuhan's The Medium Is the Message.
And the image of an ocean wave traveling through the ocean water. Maybe like
that, sound travels through the medium of space or silence. I think what John
meant by "start of creation" was the beginning rather than the source.
Sound travels through silence. Interesting...
Something before creation. Even more interesting...
I'm sure there's an answer. And I'm also sure this isn't it.
But your theory is fun too (-:It's a good book, I haven't read it since I was
17 but it stuck in the mind better than 90% of the bible did. It's got strong
characters, a good moral message, mystic visions, a battle between good and
evil. All the things a religious text could ask for!
And if you can't be bothered to wade through its 900 pages there's a movie in
production even as we type.
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hebrew Language is The DNA of Creation
---In [email protected], <jr_esq@...> wrote :
The lecture was very interesting. The concept of sound as the start of
creation is similar to the Ved, which MMY explains is the constitution of the
universe.
How can you have both? And what is sound without a medium for it to travel in,
and if there was a medium for it to travel in then it isn't the source of
creation.
That's the trouble with these religious types, they only look as far into
something as to have their prejudices confirmed.
I'm working on a theory that the opening chapter of Stephen King's "The Stand"
is the foundation of the universe because I happen to think its a great book.
---In [email protected], <hepa7@...> wrote :
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