That's obviously a possibility as well. L
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> Like as not, a lot of people ARE in CC (whether via the practice of TM, or "just because") but don't see it as a big deal because, as MMY points out, it is "merely normal." Of course, the sine qua non of CC is that one has PC even during deep sleep, so perhaps that is lacking in many people... I have the opposite issue: "witnessing sleep" has been around almost continuously (except during a few life-threatening illnesses over the decades) within a few weeks that I first learned TM. It's the waking state integration that appears to be lacking, although... When I inadvertently went off prozac abruptly a few years ago, and had 12 hours of non-stop, viciously and horrifically violent suicidal ideation, I still had permanent presence of pure sense-of-self that was untouched by the rather Grade-Z horror movie continuously running through my mind, and I never felt an urge to act on any of that stuff. ...I'd prefer to think that I'm not really in CC rather than CC being THIS useless as a "higher" state of consciousness. With all due respect, in pursuit of your "I prefer to think" fantasies, it seems to me that you're ignoring a third (and far more likely) possibility. Namely, that "witnessing sleep," which MMY made so much of, has *absolutely nothing to do with higher states of consciousness*. It's just something that happens. To people who meditate, and to people who don't. And it "means" nothing in terms of state of consciousness, in either group.
