--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: snip> > Hi Judy- it was an interesting thing, and very much in line with > > what you are saying here, that when I was looking for that quote > > earlier about the Self unfolding by itself, I googled it, and guess > > what? It was you that came up in the results as the first one to > > have posted the quote, that I was then able to use! > > Oh, now, this was fun. Out of curiosity, I did the > same, to see what the context was. That was a neat > discussion, and a nice bit of ego-boo for moi to see > my post "enshrined" like that. Thanks for the pointer!
Sure. Yeah that stuff is fun! > > > Having said that, this is the eternal conundrum associated with > > enlightenment; uncovering the Self. Everyone, and rightly so, > > perceives the process to it differently. Rory speaks in terms of > > intentionality, taking credit if you will, and he is right. You, on > > the other hand persist in saying it happens by itself. Also right! > > Maybe *this* is the "difference in some respect" > between enlightenment and ignorance I keep talking > about. > > But it still seems to me that the ego is involved > (very possibly in both claims). All ego is, is sense of self. The difference being that before enlightenment the ego asociates with the small, localized and ignorant self. After enlightenment the ego associates with the unbounded universal infinite Self. Ego is not bad per se, just a way for the Infinite to function in the world. > > > The key as I see it, is to begin to identify with that which would > > make itself known, our Selves. Which I haven't seen you contradict > > or disagree with yet... > > Well, of course not. I just insist--not theoretically > but on the basis of my own experience--that the process > of identifying more and more with the Self is > nonintentional. > > That's from the "perspective" of *ignorance*, of > course, in which intention is the (apparent) function > of the self. > It is the same perspective from both enlightenment and ignorance. Just as you quoted, the Self unfolds by itself. As you put more attention on that process, it happens more quickly, but always by its Self. As far as I can see, you are on the right track. Eventually we become so miserable that enlightenment blossoms regardless of our intentions! Really a mysterious thing... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
