Not bad Buck. I we were terrorists, you would no longer exist because we know where you live. By the way an ad hominem argument would be that whatever reasoning a person uses would be declared wrong because that person has such and such a characteristic. Ad hominem is not a slur, it might make use of slurs to try to falsely invalidate a logical argument. I have always been curious why you express yourself the way you do, because it is kind of unusual in the circles I travel in. Now, Ann, on The Peak said to me you had had a stroke at one time. Is that correct? That might influence behaviour and thinking but you could also completely recover from a stroke.
Anyway, I just saw on the Peak that you did respond to me in a fairly reasonable way, so my medical speculations are probably wrong. But it would be nice if you engaged in a conversation once in a while, just be aware that religion and spirituality are not protected, special subjects here about which one may not say certain things. On the Peak though, it might get someone canned. Now, calling some of us terrorists is not ad hominem, because you have not tried to negate a logical argument, but it is characterising some here in the same way you are saying we characterise you. That is known as hypocrisy, the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behaviour does not conform; pretence, that is doing exactly what your opposition does. Note that I make no claim to moral superiority, or even morals. Being has no morals, it is undefined and universal, is simply existence. Thanks for responding for once. You did not respond to Barry, but complained to Rick. You could have simply said what you did below prefaced with 'Barry, I think you are trying the old abusive stump of using mental deficiency....' I would think a farmer would meet a problem head on instead of by evasion. You certainly could not run a farm using the technique you use here on FFL. Why not be direct? Not everyone is going to respond to you like Michael Jackson. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Rick ; Now, they're trying again of the old abusive stump using the old, 'Mental deficiency' slur.. What a silly double standard being demanded by the FFL terrorists here. 'Sign your own posts for a while'. Ha, ha, ha. What a bunch of terrorists posting anonymously. They obviously are scared that I have the case for their administrative dismissal from FFL. Limbic, scared and recoiling such that instead of simply dealing straight ahead with the indictment of abuse and unkindness standing in their own posts made quite evident here they lash out with another barrage of a very personal Ad Hominem slur on a public forum. This is the really unkind thinking of some desperate people who seem quite attached to holding the FFL forum as their own in their own image of character. Feste37 observes : Actually, you suggested (..dementia) what you did because you like being cruel. You get a kick out of it. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : I suggested what I did because Doug ("Buck") seems to have lost the ability to form short-term memories. He often can't even remember what exactly it is about a post he's replying to that made him angry enough to reply angrily, so he just trots out some old gripe from the past. This is to some extent consistent with dementia -- some long term memories remain unaffected, especially memories you've *told stories about* often, while newer short term memories don't "stick." The thing is, as you and Salyavin have pointed out, Doug/Buck seems to bristle at us trying to find some physiological or psychological explanation for his behavior, and takes offense at it as if we're trying to insult him, but *there is another option he never tries*. And the fact that he never *does* try that option reinforces our theory that there might actually be something wrong with him. All he'd have to do to refute what we're suggesting is *have a normal conversation with someone here*, one that indicates that he actually read what the other party said and is responding to it. That's what's missing. His posts are non-sequiturs, in the most literal sense. They "do not follow" from what he claims to be reacting to. It's as if he's off in his own world, throwing out thoughts that go through his head and *in* his head seem to make sense. But they don't to other people. I see that over on The_Leak a few apologists for his behavior (mainly Ann) are trotting out the olde "He's just putting everybody on and running a button-pushing Colbert number" theory. I don't buy it, because in the last few *years* I don't remember him demonstrating the ability to actually *have* a real conversation that other people could follow with *anyone*, whether he considers them "friend" or "foe." It's pretty much the same non-sequitur stuff, all the time. Bottom line for me is that I'm not convinced he *CAN* have a normal conversation. This is all Just My Opinion, of course, but it's my honest opinion. And the interesting thing is that Doug could easily prove me wrong, simply by doing what I suggest -- drop the "Buck" act for a dozen posts, during which he has a continuing, rational conversation with someone else here *or* on The_Leak. Prove me wrong, "Buck." I don't think you can. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 23-Jan-15 00:15:08 UTC That is a very interesting hypothesis. I notice Buck is now reposting older material. My mother's memory declined substantially as she got into her late 80s and early 90s. She stopped initiating conversations. I would test her memory of various things, she could name people in photos etc. and never forgot me, but she did sometimes forget my sister's name. I ran into a 92-year in the supermarket a couple of years ago and he was quite a talker, had a long story about unions and troubles he had with them wanting him to be in their membership when he was younger. Later, about 15 minutes later, we ran into each other again. He did seem recognize me but told me the same story once again. So I do not know what his situation was, but he was certainly more lively than people I have seen in the Alzheimer's wards of care facilities. As he was unaccompanied in the market I assume that he was fairly clear of serious problems. Even in myself, I notice long term memories from childhood are more stable than recent ones. Meditation also seems to have an effect of less memory. If experiences do indeed make less of an impression, I would presume memories of experiences would be less imprinted in the brain. That seems to be a different effect than just ageing. I watched the movie Tarantula recently (with an uncredited part for Clint Eastwood). This came out in 1955, and I recalled the scenes in the film quite well, but now, having meditated for such a long time, I sometimes will watch a Blu-ray or DVD of a much more recent film, and by about halfway through, it finally dawns on me I saw it before within the last ten years or less, and remembered practically nothing about it. This does not seem to be dementia, as I can write original material and hold conversations without much trouble in spite of my anti-social nature. I attribute this partially to the effects of TM. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 23-Jan-15 00:15:08 UTC I think you know what to do Buck, you just do not do it. I think you prefer to ineffectually complain. Actually join in on a discussion, or stay on The Peak; those are pretty much the only options open to you here; if you simply complain or spam us nobody is interested, you are a voice crying in a wilderness of your own making. You are not exercising your intelligence, which is why some here think you do not have any. There are not many footholds here for stodgy, 19th century religion. Exactly. In all seriousness, Buck's act really does seem to contain many of the earmarks of Early Onset Alzheimer's, *including* his tendency to adopt "roles" and stay in them, so as to distance himself from the people he's talking to. People with dementia tend to do this so that the people they're talking AT don't realize that they've lost the ability to talk TO others. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. In FFL post #409895 Turquoiseb trots out a very personal slur using 'dementia' in further unkind ad hominem Salyavin808 continues in post # 409734 : “Talking of crazy are you aware you posted your reply to the wrong thread?” Yes, I am very aware of that. This issue rolls over to the moderation and ownership of FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. It is about your making personal slur, contrary to what is permissible under the Yahoo-groups guidelines: ..don't invade other people's privacy ..Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, ..don't threaten. The cowardly ad hominem-istic unkind personal abuse, that is pretty low what you have just attempted. Deal with what is written, ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Rick ; Now, they're trying again of the old abusive stump using the old, 'Mental deficiency' slur.. What a silly double standard being demanded by the FFL terrorists here. 'Sign your own posts for a while'. Ha, ha, ha. What a bunch of terrorists posting anonymously. They obviously are scared that I have the case for their administrative dismissal from FFL. Limbic, scared and recoiling such that instead of simply dealing straight ahead with the indictment of abuse and unkindness standing in their own posts made quite evident here they lash out with another barrage of a very personal Ad Hominem slur on a public forum. This is the really unkind thinking of some desperate people who seem quite attached to holding the FFL forum as their own in their own image of character. Feste37 observes : Actually, you suggested (..dementia) what you did because you like being cruel. You get a kick out of it. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : I suggested what I did because Doug ("Buck") seems to have lost the ability to form short-term memories. He often can't even remember what exactly it is about a post he's replying to that made him angry enough to reply angrily, so he just trots out some old gripe from the past. This is to some extent consistent with dementia -- some long term memories remain unaffected, especially memories you've *told stories about* often, while newer short term memories don't "stick." The thing is, as you and Salyavin have pointed out, Doug/Buck seems to bristle at us trying to find some physiological or psychological explanation for his behavior, and takes offense at it as if we're trying to insult him, but *there is another option he never tries*. And the fact that he never *does* try that option reinforces our theory that there might actually be something wrong with him. All he'd have to do to refute what we're suggesting is *have a normal conversation with someone here*, one that indicates that he actually read what the other party said and is responding to it. That's what's missing. His posts are non-sequiturs, in the most literal sense. They "do not follow" from what he claims to be reacting to. It's as if he's off in his own world, throwing out thoughts that go through his head and *in* his head seem to make sense. But they don't to other people. I see that over on The_Leak a few apologists for his behavior (mainly Ann) are trotting out the olde "He's just putting everybody on and running a button-pushing Colbert number" theory. I don't buy it, because in the last few *years* I don't remember him demonstrating the ability to actually *have* a real conversation that other people could follow with *anyone*, whether he considers them "friend" or "foe." It's pretty much the same non-sequitur stuff, all the time. Bottom line for me is that I'm not convinced he *CAN* have a normal conversation. This is all Just My Opinion, of course, but it's my honest opinion. And the interesting thing is that Doug could easily prove me wrong, simply by doing what I suggest -- drop the "Buck" act for a dozen posts, during which he has a continuing, rational conversation with someone else here *or* on The_Leak. Prove me wrong, "Buck." I don't think you can. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 23-Jan-15 00:15:08 UTC That is a very interesting hypothesis. I notice Buck is now reposting older material. My mother's memory declined substantially as she got into her late 80s and early 90s. She stopped initiating conversations. I would test her memory of various things, she could name people in photos etc. and never forgot me, but she did sometimes forget my sister's name. I ran into a 92-year in the supermarket a couple of years ago and he was quite a talker, had a long story about unions and troubles he had with them wanting him to be in their membership when he was younger. Later, about 15 minutes later, we ran into each other again. He did seem recognize me but told me the same story once again. So I do not know what his situation was, but he was certainly more lively than people I have seen in the Alzheimer's wards of care facilities. As he was unaccompanied in the market I assume that he was fairly clear of serious problems. Even in myself, I notice long term memories from childhood are more stable than recent ones. Meditation also seems to have an effect of less memory. If experiences do indeed make less of an impression, I would presume memories of experiences would be less imprinted in the brain. That seems to be a different effect than just ageing. I watched the movie Tarantula recently (with an uncredited part for Clint Eastwood). This came out in 1955, and I recalled the scenes in the film quite well, but now, having meditated for such a long time, I sometimes will watch a Blu-ray or DVD of a much more recent film, and by about halfway through, it finally dawns on me I saw it before within the last ten years or less, and remembered practically nothing about it. This does not seem to be dementia, as I can write original material and hold conversations without much trouble in spite of my anti-social nature. I attribute this partially to the effects of TM. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Fri 23-Jan-15 00:15:08 UTC I think you know what to do Buck, you just do not do it. I think you prefer to ineffectually complain. Actually join in on a discussion, or stay on The Peak; those are pretty much the only options open to you here; if you simply complain or spam us nobody is interested, you are a voice crying in a wilderness of your own making. You are not exercising your intelligence, which is why some here think you do not have any. There are not many footholds here for stodgy, 19th century religion. Exactly. In all seriousness, Buck's act really does seem to contain many of the earmarks of Early Onset Alzheimer's, *including* his tendency to adopt "roles" and stay in them, so as to distance himself from the people he's talking to. People with dementia tend to do this so that the people they're talking AT don't realize that they've lost the ability to talk TO others. ---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Rick, I should not have to receive these kind of personal slur and attacks as ad hominem and threats from your yahoo-group. That is completely against Yahoo-groups guidelines. Please remove these post from FFL and discipline the membership of their authors. -in Fairfield, Iowa In Yahoo-groups guideline: Don't threaten. in FairfieldLife Post #409764 Anartaxius threatens: “This means real bullets.” Bhairitu in FFL post # 409743 now maligns: “..Buck is in a fugue state..” In FFL post # 409725, Laughinggull108 writes: “..I'm beginning to think you just might be insane”. That slur is so like, Stalin-istic. In FFL post #409895 Turquoiseb trots out a very personal slur using 'dementia' in further unkind ad hominem Salyavin808 continues in post # 409734 : “Talking of crazy are you aware you posted your reply to the wrong thread?” Yes, I am very aware of that. This issue rolls over to the moderation and ownership of FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. It is about your making personal slur, contrary to what is permissible under the Yahoo-groups guidelines: ..don't invade other people's privacy ..Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, ..don't threaten. The cowardly ad hominem-istic unkind personal abuse, that is pretty low what you have just attempted. Deal with what is written,
