--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Confusion in an established spiritual seeker usually
> > > indicates a state of *cognitive dissonance*.  That
> > > is, you've encountered things in real life that don't
> > > quite fit into the neat little boxes you've created
> > > for how things "should" work in real life. In this
> > > teacher's opinion, one should *embrace* cognitive
> > > dissonance rather than react to it with aversion.
> > > To do so is to embrace life, as opposed to one's
> > > ideas about life.
> > 
> > *That's* what Lawson was saying.

(Notice that Barry has chosen not to deal with
the fact that he put words in Lawson's mouth that
were the precise opposite of what he was saying,
in favor of cobbling together yet another putdown.)

> > (BTW, I reiterate what I said in response to
> > Lawson's characterization: I agree with him that
> > meditating and living life contribute a lot more
> > to what is worth knowing than the discussions on
> > this forum, but not because I've "drunk the Kool-
> > Aid."  Rather, it's based on my own personal
> > experience, both pre- and post-encountering MMY's
> > teaching.)
> 
> To quote Dr. Phil, "So how's that workin' for you?"
> 
> Your own personal experience, both pre- and post-
> encountering Maharishi's teaching, has it led you
> to liberation? Do you live the direct perception
> of eternity 24/7? If so, then I'd say that this
> personal experience was of value. If not, all your
> experience so far kinda left you in a state of
> ignorance, didn't it?

Prior to the moment of liberation, all of anybody's
experience has left them in a state of ignorance.

<duh>

You're not there yet yourself, by your own
admission.  What does that say about the value of
all *your* experience so far?

And notice that I never said my personal experience
should apply to anybody else.  That everyone should
find value in discussions like this is *your* Kool-
Aid.  As is the notion that if one isn't liberated
yet, it's because one is mistaken about what has
value and what does not (which doesn't even make
any sense).

In any other context--indeed, in this *very* context
a post or two ago--you would insist that there are
different strokes for different folks as far as
realization is concerned, and that none of them is
any better than any other.

And yet in this post you're suggesting there's
something wrong with the way I'm going about it.

Again, Barry, you're so anxious to avoid
accountability for your own messes and to come up 
with putdowns instead that all you do is end up
making *more* of a mess.  You want desperately to
be recognized as personally accountable for your own
liberation, but you refuse to take responsibility for
anything *else*.  That's bullshit.

> If it looks like Kool-Aid, smells like Kool-Aid,
> and produces the results of Kool-Aid, it's Kool-Aid.
> Doesn't matter whether it was served up by MMY or
> whether it was mixed up at home; it's still Kool-Aid.

This is so patently idiotic it isn't even worth
dissecting.  I'll just point out that by this
definition, what you're labeling "Kool-Aid" is just a
different flavor of Kool-Aid than the one you've been
drinking.






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