Pastor Barry, I said below that I did NOT research the matter personally.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : John, we've all seen you post things on this forum that leave no doubt that you believe that such mythical personalities as Krishna actually existed. You've actually said as much in the past, so there is no need to try to hide the fact now. What is more interesting, since you *are* trying to hide it, is HOW you claim you could "research the subject" and come up with a definitive answer stating that "Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu here on Earth." Please explain to us HOW you or any other person could determine the validity of this statement. NOT that "some people believe it," but that's it's actual fact. Please share with us how a person convinces himself that he or she "knows" such a thing. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> MMY believes Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu here on Earth. I personally have not researched the subject. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Do you believe Krshna was an actual personage on the earth or a religious myth? If real, was he just a man or an avatar of Vishnu? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan? MJ, I'm paraphrasing what Krishna said to Arjuna, who was reluctant in fighting his relatives in the battle of Kurukshetra. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : "If you don't fight, then you're deluded or a coward and deserve to die." Seems a rather narrow minded point of view. What if the person being killed is a committed practitioner of ahimsa? A Jainite or a fanatic pacifist? One who would rather be killed than raise their hand in violence to another even in self defense? Or suppose the about to be killed already had a terminal illness with a bleak prognosis and a short time to live, thus the killing would actually be a favor to the kill-ee and the killer, while perhaps having evil intent, would actually be giving a blessing and liberation to the kill-ee. Could there be some planet in your chart that is debilitated that gives you such a judgmental and combative feeling about all this? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan? Xeno, I would assume that you would fight to save your life if the Islamic State rebels got a hold of you to cut your head off as propaganda for their cause. Are you going to assume that you're imagining things? As you've seen in the news, these rebels have cut the heads of Brits and Americans in the recent past. It's real and true. If you don't fight, then you're deluded or a coward and deserve to die. If you fight and win, you save your life and become a hero to the world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : You know jr_esq, you are assuming that your idea of good and evil is real. I hold they are simply conceptual mappings onto reality, but they have no real existence except as a convenient and arbitrary way to categorise certain forms of activity. There was an episode of Star Trek in which an alien species, the Excalbians, investigated good and evil. They concluded that good and evil use the same methods and achieve the similar results. The writers of the episode used science fiction as a template to discuss the nature of good and evil. How are you defining good and evil, and why do you feel those definitions are somehow true or real? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Pastor Barry, IMO, it's unfortunate that human beings have to die. But circumstances happen where a person or a leader of a nation has to act to prevent evil or to eradicate evil from existing. Under these circumstances, it would be justified to take arms and fight. Any deaths that come from a justified war would be dignified and would be considered necessary to deter evil. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : Surveys of deaths in the two Iraq wars show that (depending on the survey), between 151,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis died in the two US-led wars between 2003 and 2013. One study, conducted by the Iraq Body Count project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Body_Count_project, found that 174,000 Iraqis were reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants. Meanwhile, the total number of US troops killed during this period was 4,491. Now, JR, please tell me. Was that "good" or "evil?" From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could it be...Satan? About 12,000 or so people die every day. About 10% of those are killed by other people one way or another. The Islamic State is one of those ways. This is what happens. One method of reducing those killings is to bomb or send troops to kill the members of the Islamic State, by substituting other killings in place of the ones the Islamic State perpetrates. Then there is the question of who or what is killing the other 11,000 people who die every day, which is a far greater number. From their point of view, the killers in the Islamic State are doing their god-given duty to remove infidels and betrayers of their faith from the world, a good thing. We don't know what the people killed think of it, but those in the West do not seem in favour of the idea, thinking it a bad thing. In almost every year, anyone born more that 120 years ago is dead. As pointed out recently God killed something like 2,000,000 people as reported in the Bible, while Satan, bless his reticent soul, only 10. So it would appear the best killers are in the service of what is called 'good', for a good cause, by their own estimation. They truly believe something is good and worthy, and carry out killings in the service of that. That probably means we should be rather suspicious of the good people who want to purify their environment in the service of that good. For our own good, maybe we should kill them, just to be on the safe side. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Pastor Barry, If you say there is no "good" or "evil", how do explain the fact that groups, like the Islamic State, kill innocent people in Iraq and Syria?
