Apparently Barry has just posted an ad hominem. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort (most difficult for the ego) is to consider that he or she might be wrong.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : What neither of them (Buck and WillyTheDoucheBag) Non sequitur. seems to understand is that their act is straight out of the Cult Playbook, and so obviously so that it brands them as cultists and the organization they think they're protecting as a cult to anyone who is familiar with the tactic. You're not even making any sense. So, you worked for the TMO for 14 years and worked for the Rama cult for another 20 years, but Willy is the cultist? Go figure. This tactic has been written about by religious sociologists for hundreds of years. It's what happens when a group that has gathered around a charismatic figure or an outlying set of beliefs suddenly finds that neither the charisma nor the beliefs are working for them any more. Whereas in the early days of their cult they were able to rant and preach and have people actually listen to them (and a certain small percentage of the listeners actually want to join up and become part of the cult), now what happens when they rant is that people laugh at them. The charisma is long gone and the beliefs -- finally seen in the light of day without the charisma making them look more reasonable -- are seen by anyone listening as ludicrous. Non sequitur. The thing that cultists fear most is NOT persecution. It's NOT disbelief. It's being laughed at. Non sequitur. So when a cult or spiritual organization has reached the stage of its history in which it's being laughed at a LOT, what they do is attempt to "circle the wagons" and convince the few remaining cult members that they're being persecuted. The claim of persecution thus actually becomes a tactic to make people's beliefs stronger, because nothing inspires belief in the unbelievable like becoming convinced that someone wants to stop you from believing it. Non sequitur. In his posts this morning (my time), Buck has essentially *ADMITTED* doing this. He isn't *really* concerned that people are "persecuting" TMers on this forum -- that's all an act, and has been since Day One of "Buck's" appearance on FFL. It's a fiction. It's falling back on the oldest tactic in religious history. Non sequitur. As Salyavin says, what sane people would do when discussing their beliefs on a public forum is "put their opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary." What insane people do is stop presenting any arguments whatsoever and scream loudly, "They're trying to persecute me because of my beliefs." This ploy actually works on a few people. Stupid people. Non sequitur. Smart people see through it and lose all respect not only for the person attempting this tactic, but for the organization or cult in whose name it is being done. From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : In other words, you made up this whole "Buck" act out of whole cloth so you could attack the people YOU wanted to attack and whine endlessly and hopefully make lurkers think that TMers were being somehow persecuted when they weren't. How evolved of you. Nice of you to finally admit it, however. Now everyone can ignore your silly ass without feeling the least bit guilty about it. No wonder you're identifying with Willytex these days...you're just like him, a total fiction. The main trouble with "Bucks" fanaticism is that - like Willytex's - it isn't very effective in securing its aims. They both come across as utterly demented and it doesn't matter how many times it's pointed out to them they just carry on regardless thus painting the True Believer as an unaware obsessive. Or maybe that's the idea.... A better approach would surely be to put your opinion forward reasonably like everyone else does round here and then let it stand or fall on its own merits or back it up with further arguments if necessary. It's not complicated. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: List Culture and The FFL Post Count Back sometime ago when Marek was with us, by his example I advertized then that the FFL list to be more complete as a communal discussion group of substantial material should need a 'public defender' of the TB-faithful to present the TB-TM thought here during periods when it was not represented by TB'ers themselves. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : That was for the community here. No one came forward so that was when the voice of Buck arrived, a practical old experienced voice of transcendentalism to push skeptics and apostates back alike who had then rolled over the FFL community as like the fanatical fundamentalism of IS has swept over whole areas of Syria. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : A push back, a kind counter-offensive evidently was in order for all the damage being rendered in the reduced scope of communal discussion on our FFL community by a character of intolerant writers cutting good people down at their knees by employing a methodical crossfire of unkind personal invective as weapon against both the TM-TB's and the experiential-based transcendentalist members then present on the list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : This larger thread is a larger search for better diversity of thought here on Rick's FairfieldLife at Yahoo-groups. Anartaxius, whoever you are, in your spock-like unfeeling way for this point you go ahead and condone the unkind culture of the snark here because you practice it. Lot like that article Geezer posted recently about how people can be led into their [cult] beliefs given over to a control by their beliefs if they first are led to act on them.. Seems you've been led far down a low path here with some others, possibly so far out of the light to see your way back up very clearly. An evident consequence of this is that the whole communal discussion here suffers for your plight. As they say, change happens within, hopefully you and others can make some way in your vile meanness for kindness and we may all be better off here. That might take some courage on your part to change. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <richard@...> wrote : It looks like somebody posted a false analogy. According to what I've read, a false analogy is a rhetorical fallacy that uses an analogy (comparing objects or ideas with similar characteristics) to support an argument, but the conclusion made by it is not supported by the analogy due to the differences between the two objects. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : I think, Buck, what you call collaboration is a situation where everyone agrees with you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : I have no problem with considering divergent opinion. I am quite happy reading it here, as Rick had originally intended. But I do brace at the ruinous hurtful way you and others presenting here have on the discussions here. Buck, you need to realize that we are dealing with people who think they can win a religious debate by spreading a rumor that you are a drunkard. Although you may have given up that kind of childish bullying in grade school, some have not risen to that level of discourse or social skills. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Collaboration? Could many folks dare at all to publicly disagree here on FFL anymore given the lack of self-restraint in the culture that remains on FFL? What is mostly missing now from the dominant FFL writing is a kindness to process, a love enough of collaboration that seems necessary enough for there to be creative thinking between people. Instead what we have is a culture of rudeness that has long interrupted the communal thinking here and driven people away.
