---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]> Why is - presumably - someone from Stanford University introducing a mystical speaker with the legend "We've seen how nature is structured in layers with a unified field at the base". No we haven't, if there is one thing we know for sure is that we haven't found any unified fields let alone unified fields of consciousness. The term has no meaning anyway and where is the field generated from? Does it violate the laws of conservation of energy? Why isn't it detectable like all other fields are? All we get from Tony Nader (what no 'raja raam' today?) is a list of qualities that consciousness has that he thinks are somehow indicative of an eternal nature but none of them are! And the whole point of quantum physics is that it proves the universe isn't holistic but made up of tiny discrete units called quanta. That's what the word means not that all things are one or part of a field, the unified field of physics would have been like all fields and simply a mathematical way of working out where particles are most likely to be. They aren't real. And the best candidate for a unified field turned out to be wrong, it was falsified so why do they keep going on about it? Simple, because it's their only way of convincing people that there is some sort of scientific basis to their beliefs. They decided that the "vedic" way of looking at things had a parallel before the parallel was found and they didn't change it when they realised they were wrong. It's the very essence of bad science and they rely on you not knowing anything about it either. So why are Stanford University holding introductory talks into Marshy's vedic "science"? Can we assume it's part of a comparative religious studies forum? Clearly, some TM fanatic/parrot proposed Tony's name for this conference and then introduced him. Equally clearly, the academics at Stanford acted like classic academics and were impressed by Tony's early academic pedigree (Harvard, MIT), so he was deemed "acceptable" to speak. I can guarantee you that if they had been shown photos of him dressed in long robes and a crown, calling himself a "king," and receiving his weight in gold from a known charlatan, they probably wouldn't have allowed him to speak. In other words, he gets invited to academic forums by doing the same thing Hagelin does -- pointing people at his past academic accomplishments before he lost his mind and became a cultist, and hopes that they'll stop looking into his background at the degrees. I'd like to know what the university thought about him afterwards. It's fine having ideas like this but there should be someone on hand to point out the errors and unproven elements afterwards. A decent physicist would be a start. Do universities even care these days? In the UK it's all about not offending minorities instead of challenging unreasonable beliefs. A creationist could probably get quite a lot past the administrators by claiming it's their "right" to believe it. It isn't their right to teach it to the unwary though, and it looks like a "intelligent design" trick is being pulled on people with this slick and apparently scientific display. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, religions will keep us in the dark ages if they can. You've got to say from the get go that it's a belief based on Hindu literature and stop using terms like "unified field". If it was a field it would be measurable. If it isn't you've got some explaining to do.
