Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do
with you. I never said you are a cultist. I merely state the fact that the TM
Movement is a cult. There are those like my friend Bill, classical guitarist in
NC who has been doing TM for more than 40 years, decries the excesses of the
Movement yet still does both TM and TM siddhis. I can't say he is a member of a
cult. I hope you aren't either, although from your previous exhortations for
everyone to flock to the Domes, I dunno.
From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho
are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation
practice.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
That depends totally on one's point of view.
A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM
True Believer would say this is not a cult.
This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer
would say that it is not a cult.
The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed.
Just sayin'...
Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a
while....
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and
the Jehova's Witnesses.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here
without qualification or material substance.":
Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category.
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense)
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a
sinister cult.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups
guidelines, again.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in
use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain
about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts..
---In [email protected], <richard@...> wrote :
You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.
They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a
secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums
to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse.
Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in
claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem.
One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and
work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he
was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to
fly. Gawd!
Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective.
At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for
a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims
to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's
place to hide out.
The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very
susceptible to suggestion.
So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will?
Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure.
TheBrainwashing Model Debunked:
http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2
Workcited:
Anthony, Dick. "Religious Movements andBrainwashing Litigation: Evaluating
Key Testimony," in ThomasRobbins and Dick Anthony, eds., "In Gods We
Trust", 2nded. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891
Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone
doesn't like them is clearly a violation of the free exercise of religion, a
human right increasingly recognized around the world. But the claim of
"brainwashing" shrouds the discrimination by claiming that religious groups are
victimizing recruits and potential recruits by employing powerful means of
manipulation that are extremely difficult to resist.Social scientists who study
religious movements do not reject the general proposition that religious groups
(old and new) are capable of having considerable influence over their members.
Indeed, most argue that "influence" is ubiquitous in human cultures. But they
argue, further, that the influence exerted in "cults" is not very different
from influence that is present in practically every arena of life.
---In [email protected], <richard@...> wrote :
The definition of a "cult" implies the element of force or coercion, as in
"they forced me to work in the kitchen" or "they forced me to get down on my
hands and knees and pray twice a day", or "they locked me inside a golden dome
and made me try to fly".
In your case, they apparently used a mind-control technique and then they put
you in a trance-induction state in order to cause your chronic cognitive
dissonance.
Apparently you were housed alone in a small pod, deprived of sleep and fed only
vegetarian food. They forced you to get up at the crack of dawn and work in the
kitchen and bakery. Every minute of your day was probably already planned out
with assigned minders watching over you to make sure you didn't break your
celibacy and your meditation schedule.
They probably indoctrinated you with endless hours of tapes, videos and
speeches at meetings. For years you were made to bow and scrape in front of the
elite administrators of the religious school at ceremonies. This kind of human
cult slavery is just outrageous! Gawd!
Only when you were fully programmed by the cult would they let you escape from
the camp in the middle of the night on a Greyhound bus to get back to your
mother's place. In another two weeks you probably would have been a walking
nut-case or a raging maniac. You are to be congratulated on your daring escape
from the sex cult, Sir!
What I can't understand though, is why you refuse to see a cult-exit counselor
or a professional, after going through such a hellish experience for all those
years. Go figure.
My advice would be for you to get yourself a PTSD dog as a pet to keep you
company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the
TMO.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Okayit is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction
betweenpractitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with youas
such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book withoutgradation or scope.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think
its not a cult.....
And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its
supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their
tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar
eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult....
So,evidently “religious philosophy” as mentioned in this article isnot the
same thing as religion. Is religious philosophy necessarilycult-ish in your
book? You seem to assert TM is a religiousphilosophy coming out of religion,
like Scientology in this article?Is there a level of religious philosophy where
they are justpractices or philosophy for people in life. Is there a point
whereyou draw a line between religious philosophy in practice and cultsfor
people?Justwondering, you seem intent on painting cult on everything
andeveryone.
Fromthe article:“It'sa religious philosophy, so when I'm sitting there,
studying aboutsomething, I'm oftentimes sitting next to guys from Nation of
Islamand friends who are fully Jewish and other friends who are Catholicand
Reverend Alfreddie Johnson, who's a Baptist minister.”
Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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| | Religious philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Religious
philosophy is philosophical thinking that is inspired and directed by religion.
There are different philosophies for each religion such as those of : | |
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---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
this one is good too
PAPERMAG: Danny Masterson Tells Us About His Life in the Church of Scientology
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