Dharma of the species - now that is a concept I had never thought of before.
From: "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Yes, large dharma of thespecies. Excellent enumeration MJ of a spiritual
manifest Destiny ofconsciousness in absolute evolution coming in to
self-referral inrecent times. It is a long history actually. It is the flow
ofnatural law, the Unified Field. You should sit with it some more
intranscending meditation and then you should likely see it. -JaiGuruYou!
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
I wish it were true, but it isn't. I think the current wave of New Age-y froo
froo woo woo with all its talk of a golden age, and age of enlightenment is
just one in a long line of spiritualist movement that always says the same
thing: the world is about to be a better more enlightened, spiritual place
where all things will be hunky dory. The last one was in the late 1800's -
early 1900's with the Theosophical Society and others like it. Things quieted
down during WWII and started gearing up in the late 60's. The current spate of
spiritual crap-ola will result in the same amount of enlightenment the New
Thought and ascended master crap of the early 1900's have produced.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Fortunateare we to be born at a time such as this
Diving deep within theself we know that life is bliss
All the world we see, in the lightof the unified field
As we grow in unity the truth of life’srevealed
So we give thanks for the gift of this knowledge Heavensent
And sing the praise of Maharishi School of the Age ofEnlightenmentEducationis
ideal, when the knower, known, and knowing unite
Three in onereality makes learning pure deligh.
Nature must be pleased, as awitness to wisdom’s rebirth
Young enlightened sages bringingpeace to all on earth
So we give thanks, for the gift, of thisknowledge Heaven sent
and sing the praise, of Maharishi School ofthe Age of Enlightenment-MSAE Anthem
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I
know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist.
---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
Doug,
It's really rather fascinating to watch.
It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond
with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the
food.
Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely
connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the
other with how to demean the whole organization.
And one of the three still practices the technique religiously! Another of the
three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and the
other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to
system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's
lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts. But still, he considers TM an
insignificant technique.
And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still
writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week.
Does kind of leave you wondering.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do
with you.
Buck is correct. You are using the classic "guilt by association" tactic in a
debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the
Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few
decades ago.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
You guyswho seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn
tomeditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you takequiet time?
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, andnot a cultist as a
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lotof meditators here
in Fairfield, Iowa.
anartaxius writes: The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection
of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking,
which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to
gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from
'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a
reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I
post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a
testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its lack of
it as the case may be.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
“What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day,
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho
are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation
practice.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
That depends totally on one's point of view.
A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM
True Believer would say this is not a cult.
This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer
would say that it is not a cult.
The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed.
Just sayin'...
Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a
while....
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and
the Jehova's Witnesses.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here
without qualification or material substance.":
s3raphita writing:
Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category.
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense)
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a
sinister cult.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups
guidelines, again.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in
use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain
about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts..
---In [email protected], <richard@...> wrote :
You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.
They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a
secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums
to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse.
Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in
claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem.
One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and
work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he
was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to
fly. Gawd!
Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective.
At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for
a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims
to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's
place to hide out.
The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very
susceptible to suggestion.
So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will?
Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure.
TheBrainwashing Model Debunked:
http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2
Workcited:
Anthony, Dick. "Religious Movements andBrainwashing Litigation: Evaluating
Key Testimony," in ThomasRobbins and Dick Anthony, eds., "In Gods We
Trust", 2nded. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Books, 1990.pp 295-344. 1990.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/413891
Discrimination, or legal action, against religious groups because someone
doesn't like them is clearly a violation of the free exercise of religion, a
human right increasingly recognized around the world. But the claim of
"brainwashing" shrouds the discrimination by claiming that religious groups are
victimizing recruits and potential recruits by employing powerful means of
manipulation that are extremely difficult to resist.Social scientists who study
religious movements do not reject the general proposition that religious groups
(old and new) are capable of having considerable influence over their members.
Indeed, most argue that "influence" is ubiquitous in human cultures. But they
argue, further, that the influence exerted in "cults" is not very different
from influence that is present in practically every arena of life.
---In [email protected], <richard@...> wrote :
The definition of a "cult" implies the element of force or coercion, as in
"they forced me to work in the kitchen" or "they forced me to get down on my
hands and knees and pray twice a day", or "they locked me inside a golden dome
and made me try to fly".
In your case, they apparently used a mind-control technique and then they put
you in a trance-induction state in order to cause your chronic cognitive
dissonance.
Apparently you were housed alone in a small pod, deprived of sleep and fed only
vegetarian food. They forced you to get up at the crack of dawn and work in the
kitchen and bakery. Every minute of your day was probably already planned out
with assigned minders watching over you to make sure you didn't break your
celibacy and your meditation schedule.
They probably indoctrinated you with endless hours of tapes, videos and
speeches at meetings. For years you were made to bow and scrape in front of the
elite administrators of the religious school at ceremonies. This kind of human
cult slavery is just outrageous! Gawd!
Only when you were fully programmed by the cult would they let you escape from
the camp in the middle of the night on a Greyhound bus to get back to your
mother's place. In another two weeks you probably would have been a walking
nut-case or a raging maniac. You are to be congratulated on your daring escape
from the sex cult, Sir!
What I can't understand though, is why you refuse to see a cult-exit counselor
or a professional, after going through such a hellish experience for all those
years. Go figure.
My advice would be for you to get yourself a PTSD dog as a pet to keep you
company - take it with you everywhere and to your AA meetings.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Please explain to me how Scientology is not a cult. Then lets deal with the
TMO.
From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
Okayit is all or nothing for you and you make no distinction
betweenpractitioners and the movements. Not much to converse over with youas
such. Evidently they all are cultists in your book withoutgradation or scope.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
If anyone can look at Scientology and the behavior of Scientologists and think
its not a cult.....
And as I have said before, if anyone can look at the Movement with its
supposedly celibate King, it robe and crown wearing little king-lets and their
tendency to block up or lock up all south facing entrances, avoid solar
eclipses and keep the pundits in a stalag and think it isn't a cult....
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