--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am interested to know what does it mean to be liberated?
> > > > >
> > > > Every action we take is designed to influence our future.
> > > > 
> > > > When I was younger, my consciousness discriminated between 
> > spacetime 
> > > > and Enlightenment, between boundaries and Boundlessness. 
Like 
> > > > looking out the window of an airplane while landing on a 
cloudy 
> > > > night, seeing patches of clear air where the lights on the 
> > ground 
> > > > were clearly visible, interspersed with impenetrable cloud.
> > > > 
> > > > My awareness had a dual nature; that of Mastered awareness 
and 
> > > > cloudy awareness. I then focused on piercing the clouds in 
my 
> > > > awareness, transmuting them into awareness itself, making 
the 
> > > > subconscious, conscious. Everything was fair game. Just by 
> > > > meditation, and then facing that which came to light during 
the 
> > > > practice.
> > > > 
> > > > The inevitable effect of this activity, discriminating 
between 
> > > > Enlightenment and spacetime, was that once the clounds of 
> > spacetime 
> > > > were Absolutely eliminated, spacetime and Enlightenment 
joined 
> > > > together, in a quiet Unity; no more duality.
> > > > 
> > > > As a result, I have found that I can now influence the 
future, 
> > > > simply by aligning my attention with this perfect blend of 
> > > > Enlightenment, lived in time and space. When my attention is 
> > > > centered on Now, time assumes its Infinite dimension, as 
does 
> > space, 
> > > > making available from one instance to the next, infinite 
> > > > possiblities.
> > > > 
> > > > This is what it means to be liberated.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And the upside is what?
> 
> 
> 
> > >
> > Being successful in every endeavor undertaken, from the 
smallest, 
> > like cooking a delicious dinner, to larger desires, like having 
> > wonderful relationships with others, harmonious family life, 
success 
> > in my career, good health. Come on, it is an infinite list!
> 
> 
> So being successful is your view of being liberated.

No- you asked me what the upside was. I am answering your question 
in so far as it can be answered. 
> 
> > 
> > The point being, think of all of your desires and what it would 
be 
> > like to fulfill all of them. 
> 
> What if I have no desires?

Then you are dead or non-existent. 
> 
> > That is the upside, though your desires 
> > do change pre and post liberation. The reality too is that 
desires 
> > per se don't mean as much on the one hand, because life is lived 
> > much more in moment to moment fulfillment vs the old way of 
mostly 
> > feeling dissatisfied. 
> 
> 
> > To go into much detail here is meaningless 
> > from me to you. 
> 
> Sorry if I am so dense. I am what I am.
You appear to misunderstand. I am not implying you are dense, only 
unique.
> 
> You will experience it in you own, completely unique 
> > way.
> 
> "Will" seems to be a word that seekers use a lot.
>
Yeah they do.





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