--- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], anonymousff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >why
> > > > there are far more ants than elephants.
> > >
> > > And I suppose you are an elephant?
> >
> > Last time I looked in the mirror, I wasn't. You? C'mon, it was
an
> > analogy...
>
> But arn't you implying that the liberated are elephants
> (metaphorically) and the no-liberated are ants? And that you are
> liberated? (And thus like the elephants -- far grander than the
ants?)
Not at all. The analogy was in response to your or some anon
questioning why I had said that spritual seekers were relatively few
in the general population.
Again, you want to hold on to this idea of an elephant being grander
than an ant. This is the small ego making such distinctions. One
learns over time to hold the relative differences of one state of
evolution distinct from another without the small ego
adding, "...and therefore, the more evolved state of evolution is
superior..." Such a thought is untrue.
>
> > > I guess thats the
> > > difference between the first category ("I have no awareness of
> > > boundaries") and the third stage of seekerdom "I have no
awareness
> > of boundaries, EVER".
> >
> > Sounds like bullshit. Of course there are boundaries. Anyone
that
> > doesn't recognize them is not Enlightened, they are *insane*.
>
> Rick answered the question of "I am interested to know what does it
> mean to be liberated?" by answering " Realizing that you were never
> bound."
>
> Do you disagree with his answer? (This thread is build on
responses to
> it.)
I don't disagree with it. I just haven't had that experience. When I
was bound, no one could've convinced me otherwise. The only thing to
say about it is that, yes, the state of freedom is a much more
enjoyable state.
> You and Rick appear to have polar opposite difintions of
liberation.
> Which of you are living what you expouse?
I am describing my experiences. Period.
> Do you often feel that persons with different views as you as
insane?
>
Now, *there's* a wacky question...no, of course not. Anymore than I
would see those with other views as insane.
> > > Then there is no seeking, no seeker, no teacher for the
seeker, no
> > > seeker for the teacher, no boundaries to realize were never
there,
> > no
> > > ignorance to realize was never there. No co-depenedency, no
> > > superiority, no stories.
>
> > >
> > What reality are you describing? Or is it your fantasy? Sounds
like
> > your fantasy to me.
>
> Funny. Dr. Pete called it a profound insight into liberation. (not
> that I hold that)
>
> Again, what you, Peter, and Rick experience and or talk about
appear
> to be quite different. (Will the real Mr. Liberated please stand
up.)
>
Yes, stand up.
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