I don't know about anyone else, but I'd be quite amused if the first person who
bites the dust on the New, Moderated Fairfield Life does so for violating
unwritten rule #407.1 - Unrepentent Abuse of a Drama Queen. :-)
From: Duveyoung <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 7:49 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Synthesizing a Vedic Psychiatry
Steve, You are labeling me as someone with stored up anger....."to whatever
degree"....and for a large part of my adult life.
This is an ad hominem -- in a public forum.
How so?
Quite simply I have not reported (here at FFL or elsewhere online) my inner
emotional states throughout my life with any detail such that a, what?, couch
psychiatrist?, can insinuate about my past or present or future emotional
states.....let alone present a logical assembly of my posts that would
demonstrate to a scientific prognosticator enough information for that
"decider" to say, "Oh, yeah, that kind of mind, piss on it, that anger just
clouds his judgment and it's just not worth dealing with this fuckwad."
Yet this is exactly the intent of your post. You with no credentials are
asserting something untrue about me.
This is a foul accusation about me. I protest to Doug.
Doug? There are not enough facts in evidence that I am someone with stored up
anger -- which is merely code for "might blow at any minute." My online
history is checkered with every manner of emotionalism, because I'm a writer
and give myself permission to be silly, satirical, rude, outrageous, poetic,
raw, real, fake OR WHATEVER. To interpret who I am from my online posts would
require a PhD jury to authenticate some candidate's findings. AS FUCKING IF.
This is an outrageous smear job by any decent minded regard.
Aaaaaaaaand, further, the question: "Does that make sense?" is clearly another
attempt to present the concept "Edg is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking
stupid, you have to treat him like child, and always double check what's going
on in that little noggin' of his."
It is this sort of tactic that everyone here understands for what it is: plain
old trolling -- with a smirk that assumes there's denial ability to shield all
protests. "What? I never meant that. Why how dare you accuse me of having
such a low intent." -- like that. Like fucking that. That's the tactic -- to
me, it's Gestapol shit.
Now, in the past, I would enter into a delightful tirade of withering
statements about you, personally, that would leave stains on your soul, but
DOUG IS WATCHING, so I won't.
But you have violated the intent and spirit of the guidelines -- IN MY OPINION,
and I call for Doug to arbitrate this issue and give us the benefit of his
wisdom -- here in the public forum where the "act" occurred. Let's see if you
have, indeed, befouled our pristine and new intent to be civil here, or if I'm
mistaken and, truly, everyone thinks I'm way over the top in my interpretation
of your below text.
---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
He's a moderator Edg, not responsible for vetting all the content that passes
through here in terms of its future efficacy. Or present efficacy for that
matter.
Nor is he a therapist to help you process whatever anger you have stored up
from what appears to be a large part of your adult life participating in this
movement.
Does that make sense?
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
So, Doug, are you personally vouching for this guy? You're sure he's not like,
say, Harold Bloomfield? Or Herbert Benson? Or, any of the various experts
that have come into the movement spotlight and were never to be heard from
again?
There's lots and lots of ex-TM-heroes that are now scandalous zeroes, correct?
So what makes us trust this guy if credentials and charisma are so easily faked
that the TM Movment has repeatedly been fooled into honoring individuals who
then went on TO DISGRACE -- EVEN INCLUDING PRISON FOR HEINOUS CRIMES?
The TM Movement is DICTATORIALLY MUM about Girish's legal troubles in India,
and about all the past heroes now in ruins. How is it, then, that you DARE TO
RISK YOUR PRECIOUS INTEGRITY by putting your imprimatur upon him? Have you not
yourself been FOOLED into honoring the above mentioned zeroes and many others?
How has your ability to pick a hero improved? How can we believe you with such
a track record -- even including ongoing crimes that are being hushed up and
NOT mentioned by you as you have mentioned this announcement? Where is your
fair and balanced integrity as a reporter if you are not investigating what you
bring to us?
Seems to me that you need to shore up this ADVERTISEMENT with a personal
testimony that shows the depth of your scholarship in putting forth this
"doctor" as if he should be saluted. And if you're merely passing along some
MUM promotional announcement, don't you think you're BOTHERING JUST ABOUT
EVERYONE ELSE HERE WITH SUCH AN OFFENSIVE OFFERING THAT HAS NO BASIS IN
RESEARCHED FACTS THAT HAVE BEEN ELSEWHERE DUPLICATED BY NON-MOVEMENT
SCIENTISTS?
Are you not, Sir, I ask you directly, trolling MOST of the minds here?
What say you? What is your true intent to do this to us when we have so
vociferously and for A DECADE shown that we have only a wicked disdain for this
kind of information?
Pony up, Dude. Be real.
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Om by the way, I went to the lectureand it was really a fine and fair synthesis
of material. When youstep back the lecture is a charting to what evidently is
coming asthe future fusion of allopathic and wholistic medicine anyway.
Trained as a Medical Doctor, acareer-long research scientist with a long list
of active funded research,a long record of published work, and a senior faculty
member of MUM he is quitewell qualified enough to lecture on topics of the
health of the mindand body, which synthesized becomes psychiatry as the mind
relates tocardiology, the heart. The implications are cross-discipline great.
“One’sstate of mental health is as important a risk factor for heartdisease as
high blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes,” saidDr. Schneider, dean of the
Maharishi College of Perfect Health.
Lecture on 'Vedic Psychiatry'..
416339Re:[FairfieldLife] Re: FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting
CulturalAttitudes
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/416339
---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
MJ, FFL being categorized withYahoo-groups as a spiritual group one would hope
that people couldcome in here and express their own spiritual experience
without the harassing suppression of threats being made against them. You
seemto have some parochial way in threatening people here by 'slap'.Would
pushing the 'moderate' button over your membership status herebetter provide
safe space for spiritual people to come forward on FFLwith their experiences?
For instance I should think it valuable to also have Robert Schneider or
someone from his office come on here andexpress their feelings in conversation
here, without threat of abuse.Threat exampled within FFL post #416341 as what
evidently was a slurring rant and an invasion of someone's privacy, using FFL
as avehicle.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted myspiritual
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.....ashas been done to
every single person who has come here to reportsuchlike.
I am only aware of Brother Jim aka Dr. Dumbass - who else claimed spiritual
awareness/awakening/enlightenment and received a stout thrashing as a result?
From: Duveyoung <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
I'm thinking over here that having had an "experience" does not validate "as
necessarily true" the thoughts that arise afterwards. We see most folks here
thinking otherwise -- that is: they think that their thoughts MUST be resonant
with the ultimate reality of their recent experience.
To have seen someone levitate doesn't make one's subsequent thoughts about
levitation necessarily true. Even the person who levitates can be expected to
have but a mere abstraction for an explanation that is open to every sort of
nay-saying.
Relativity being such a dynamic, if one knows this, hypocrisy of a deeper
degree is needed to validate one's thoughts and yet invalidate the subsequent
thoughts of others -- others that had differing experiences.
Nabby is a very very sincere poster, for instance, yet we found him being
bonked by those who claim to not personally have such blinkeredness when it is
obvious to all that everyone is blinkered in some IMPORTANT and PROFOUND manner.
Stone, glass house and all that. No one gets to toss the first stone. Or the
second.
I would expect that someone who found fault in others for being a true believer
and "running with it," would be especially careful to underline ones obvious
conflict of interests.
As for me being inside my head and not having had experiences. Harrumph.
While this assertion is not couched in the normal cruel-troll manner of
FFL-past, it does seem to accuse me of being spiritually bereft of the basic
information needed to be clear about spirituality. Only I could know if that's
true -- to assert it as true is to do a one-upman-ship deal. I claim that
this kind of insinuation is AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.
And let's face it, if I came on like gangbusters here and touted my spiritual
experiences, the mob would tear my descriptions asunder.....as has been done to
every single person who has come here to report suchlike.
This is the place where prophets come to not be honored....heh heh.
And, by the way, I have had and continue to have some very profound moments
when all my abstractions align -- with a wonderful congruence -- with my heart
and thought stream. Moment by moment, if I wish to do so, I can suss out from
my flow of consciousness perfect examples of the concepts I hold dear.
Doesn't make me correct, but I sure do have experiences. I'll walk this back:
everyone has great experiences -- even if they've never personally noted such.
Given the human karma of the ego daily dying-into-sleep, being reborn in
dreams, and then coming back to life in the morning, what isn't magical? To
diss others for not describing it "well" or "logically" or "intuitively
acceptably," is at least juvenile and probably an act of aggression.....and
AGAINST THE GUIDELINES.
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Edg, because you're so...uh...edgy and all, I suspect you'll take my quickie
response below as if it was intended as some kind of affront, and it really
wasn't. I was just taking advantage of these "revalidated FFL guidelines" vibes
to just be honest.
To expand on this a bit, to be honest I've always gotten the impression from
your writing that your approach to most spiritual topics is intellectual, as
opposed to experiential. When you get into how much you know about Advaita, for
example, my impression is that this is stuff that you "know" -- intellectually
-- about Advaita, but without ever having experienced the states of
consciousness that are being written about. Correct me if I'm wrong about this.
I say this not to take a dig at you but to point out a possible distinction
between the two of us. I haven't just read about and thought about the basic
principle of Tantra -- the peaceful co-existence of complete opposites -- I've
*lived* it. I've spent fourteen years with Rama -- and all the time since --
living it.
Please try to remember who you're talking to here.
I write science articles for a living. I have a strong feel for what science
considers "real" in this world and what it does not.
At the same time, *I cannot deny my own experience*.
While knowing all of this about science, I have personally witnessed many of
the siddhis you have only read about. I have sat in the desert -- or in a
Dennys along a California highway -- and watched someone just gently lift up
off the ground (or the naugahyde Dennys benches) and float in the air for a
while.
The morning after experiencing something like that, if you are a bit of a
cynical scientist like myself, you tend to wake up thinking, "OK, what the fuck
was that?"
I still don't know.
All I know is that I experienced it, in states of mind that were as high and
clear as I have ever experienced in this incarnation, and that were completely
free from the effects of any kinds of drugs, and that for me it all really
fuckin' happened.
I am NOT saying that I know exactly *what* happened. What I'm saying is that
*something* fairly extraordinary happened, and that until someone proves to me
exactly what it was, I'm going to go easy on myself for not getting all anal
about what is "real" and what isn't.
That "real" enough for you, dude? :-)
From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
I have *absolutely no problem* with such seeming contradictions.
If you do, I would suggest that they just might be *your* problems. :-)
From: Duveyoung <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
Barry -- you are on record here being quite against most "magical thinking,"
but here we find you being quite the believer. "That explained quite a few of
my dreams during the period I lived there. :-)" Would this be hypocrisy or
you just playing loose with "what's real?" I ask this in the fullest sincerity
to honor the recently re-validated FFL guidelines.
---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Excellent.
A few years ago, before we actually moved from Spain to the Netherlands, my odd
extended family and I spent a month living in Amsterdam in a house we'd rented
there. It was a really cool house, with multiple floors and a grand piano and a
great kitchen, but at the same time there was always something "off" about it.
So I asked around the neighborhood and found that it had in previous centuries
been an asylum for crazy women. That explained quite a few of my dreams during
the period I lived there. :-)
From: salyavin808 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2015 8:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fancy that!
In the late '90's the TMO acquired a mansion in a highly sought after part of
London. Namely Kensington palace gardens. It was a fabulous house, right
opposite Kensington palace. Huge place with double iron gates and a massive
ballroom.
It faced east too. The heads of the movement all lived there and all said how
amazing the perfect vastu felt. I lived there too for a while, just helping out
the media department. Great place to stay as the big knobs sure knew how to
live, bespoke silk carpets and the best food eaten off mahogany tables.
The idea was that they'd use it to wine and dine the rich and famous thus
spreading TM to the top of society, as was Marshy's wish at the time. "The rich
won't eat in a poor house" he said, they sure didn't here! Not that all that
many came. Hardly any in fact, but the intention was a good one if you approve
of that sort of elitism. I didn't but staying there made a nice change from our
draughty, cold and empty mansion in the Bedfordshire countryside.
But as I was finishing my book on The Great Escape I was reminded that the
house had a rather more chequered history than expected. It was owned and used
by MI6 to interrogate captured Nazi officers during and after WW2. Including
the masterminds of the massacre that wiped out 50 allied airmen in 1944.
Fancy that, I might have slept in a room that was once occupied by a terrified
Gestapo murderer who sat awake all night dreading his fate at the hands of a
war crimes tribunal. I wonder if they appreciated the vastu at all?
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