--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:32 PM, anonymousff wrote: > > > And I recognize some (a few, not like pages) of Mr. Pall's comments > > are racist (more implied than stated I think, "my views are in line > > with the Aryan Nation"). > > Yes, I agree, there certainly is a lot of ambiguity
Does imlied mean "raises ambiguity" in Iowa? I want to be senstive to regional differences in my writing. > in being in line > with the Aryan Nation. To help resolve that ambiguity I imagine he'll > be getting bar-mitzvahed any day now. At the rate hes going, he may try that. > > And the surface irony of his self-improvement > > journey with such. But to fly off in wild directions again, I don't > > see much grounds to ridicule him. > > > > Of anyone, I think he has been the most frank on this list, honestly > > stating a self-recognition that he severe problems, stemming from > > severe and prolonged childhood abuse. > > There are plenty of ways of dealing with that, some more effective than > others, depending on the person. I have a funny feeing, though, that > spouting bigotry isn't one of them. And for him, know his case history as you apparently do, are? And just curious, have you ever met a rude long term TMer? > There are plenty of ways of dealing with "that situation" other than rudeness,, some more effective than others, depending on the person -- but damn, in 30 years the poor TMer hasn't found it. Sometimes what OUGHT to be is the same as WHAT IS. > > And I am awed by his, to me, > > heroic and constant search for things that will help heal such. He has > > outlined so many "trips" seeking healing. Its informative and > > astonishing. > > What's astonishing is that after so much seeking, if that's what he's > done, he has pretty much seemed to stay right where he is. And you are clear on where he began? What abuse he had, for how long? how it affected his social skills? And with all your seeking you are now dazzling and flawless? (I mean you seem so to me, but I just was wondering if have some darker moments too) > > > > That he goes through a seekers syndrome (which is perhaps quite valid) > > of thinking his "new" cure is better than his last is understandable > > -- I can certainly relate to that. And should not diminish the fact > > that a "next" cure may be found at a later time, that is thought to be > > the "best" so far. Isn't that what an odessey and search is all about. > > Trying things, holding on the the effective, prioritizing the better > > from the lesser, etc. > > > > And that from time to time, he has a "healing reaction" to his > > therapies is not in the least bit surprising. TMers I think call it > > unstressing. Doctors often say "this is going to hurt some before it > > gets better". Rolfers (an old body/mind therapy) go through intense > > pain to get better. Go to they gym and you get sore before you get > > stronger. Do AV and you have to have some yucky enemas before you get > > balanced. Are "healing reactions" any surprise to any of us? > > > > And some of Tom's comments and gyrations may simply be a reflection of > > where he is at. Not a "healing reaction" but a real expression of a > > person who has some issues. And quite self-acknowledged issues. Which > > I find refreshing. Most people I encounter who are "screwed up a bit" > > my self included, have difficulty facing and admitting it. I applaud > > Tom's straightforwardness. > > > > Is it our common practice to ridicule someone with a boken leg? "Hey > > look at the gimp -- the way he hops and wobbles is soooo funny!" With > > cancer? with a bad heart? Then why are we so quick to ridicule someone > > who admits to some psycho-social disabilities (and as if we all have > > none), is so "on the program" in terms of pursuing therapies that he > > finds to works, in a constant, regular and systematic way? I find his > > fortitude inspiring. > > Tom asks for it, Anon. He sends hit-and-run posts and then ridicules > people even *before* they respond--kind of preemptively, I guess you > could say. I can't believe that is part of your definition of seeking. > I hope not. Again, from another angle, are you a psychiatrist? Have you diagnosed Tom? Are you aware of his case history? If not, how can you say, x number of years should have shaped him up just fine. How many 30 year TMers do you know who are still way screwed up? > > So his "present" state is not perfect. Whose is? So he has a "healing > > reaction" now and then. Who hasn't. So his core personality may not be > > totally in synch with ours (whose is?). > > > > When I read Tom's posts, I just can't dwell or focus on his, IMO > > fairly short, rants and "oddness". It just seems so transitory. I find > > him to be a bit of a courageous (taking a hard look at himself) and > > dedicated (keeps climbing that hill of healing) guy. Why laugh at the > > infirmities? > > > > And other than his short interludes of "whatever", he provides a lot > > of good information ahd often humor. > > I must have missed those posts--really. To me they are all > attention-seeking and about at the level of your average high-schooler > (no insult meant to high-schoolers, of course). > > Sal Yes, you may have missed a lot. He has posted over the years a lot of interesting stuff. Maybe read the archives. His New Oreleans post was maybe 90% thru the timeline of his posts. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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