By the time I got around to learning TM I already knew enough about
meditation and enlightenment that I did not expect TM teachers to be
enlightened at all. I had already learned it was quite an achievement
if not the ultimate goal of life. I had fun with the organization until
sometime after I got back from TTC and the self-appointed TM police
began ruining things.
On 06/24/2015 02:46 PM, Michael Jackson [email protected]
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Reading your post about the warning signs soon after beginning TM -
can you believe that when I first started I was so stupid I really
believed that all the local TM teachers were enlightened???
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*From:* "Xenophaneros Anartaxius [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
*To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:12 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond
Dispatch #2)
None of us are perfect, and there does seem to be a narrowing of one's
focus on certain things as we move into older age. I wasn't on FFL in
the early days, but sniping back and forth did seem to be increasing,
it's basically a lower brain function. Maharishi seemed to be in much
better form when he was younger too. Each conversation has two sides.
I cannot see that those that opposed Turq so vociferously here really
acted much better or more intelligently. I cannot see that the Peak
with its absurd discussions of crop circles etc., is a Peak of
intelligence. The goal, if you will, is to have the extremes of
existence all functioning within that existence, not as separated things.
So FFL is still the best bet to find a decent conversation, but there
is a dark cloud of suppression overhead at the moment, and so far it
has been what seems to be personally selective. It is the ideas and
what you can learn from them, or make out of them, not the people that
propose them that I find interesting. What you do not like, skip over
or delete (if you interact by email). Perhaps all of us have had an
idol that did not live up to the image we pretended to ourselves that
they were. In the movement, even shortly after one started to get
involved with TM, there were strange warning signs something was
amiss, and we would ignore it. The main problem is human beings are
never ever really a match for the ideals they create. Still, we can
sometimes extract value out of a
much-less-than-what-we-would-consider-ideal situation.
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*From:* "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:34 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT THE HELL? (Great Beyond Dispatch #2)
You know Xeno, about 14 years ago 'Uncle Tantra' was like a
giant to me, battling the TM-mov't and other cults. As all
three of us are basically on the same page philosophically,
I did learn a lot from him.
But, as years of interaction showed he is not as perfect as
I thought him to be. I guess we all are human. But, it's a
fact that I learnt quite a number of valuable things from
him.
What I tried to explain is that his reaction when I was
bounced, was almost brazen and callous. Some of his
critiques about the TM-mov't a decade ago were well written
and should be read by the people on the highest level in the
mov't. It seemed, he began to slowly deterioriate mentally
as years rolled by.
Time is time, it eventually catches you, and you are
history.
By the way, don't you think MJ should start "the_abyss"
group. The peak can be the north pole. The FairfieldLife
the equator, and 'the abyss' the south pole.
--- <anartaxius@...> wrote :
Senility just means life is getting mellower. While it is true
authfriend would root out various kinds of errors in what people
wrote, she often did not see the forest for the trees, and did not
expound much on what she actually knew about the subjects she was
criticising were discussing. It was all dissection and no integration.
If you go over Turq's posts for the last 10 years, you will find he
also could provide clarity. Both Turq and authfriend tried made people
look like idiots, and possibly some us were and still are.
--- <jason_green2@...> wrote :
Hey Xeno, it's me, moi, the old jedi_spock. Rick bounced me
along with 'Dan firedman'.
I never got yahoo to interfere in the freedom of speech
here. It was Dan who did it. Rick didn't give me an
opportunity to explain my POV. A few days later Rick kindly
reinstated me. Thanks to Curtis who put in a good word to
Rick.
Looks like you too are becoming senile like Barry. It's
these kind of errors that irritated authfriend.
Tell you what, you and me, along with Salyavin, MJ, Curtis
move over to "the abyss". Let 'the abyss' be the mirror of
fairfieldlife.
Hell, I wish someone like "gullible fool" comes back and
takes over the moderatership from Buck.
Barry's posts were never designed to give people clarity.
Barry's posts were designed to hurt people at the tender
feeling level and make them look like idiots. There was a
sadistic streak in his posts that befuddled people.
--- <anartaxius@...> wrote :
No, he doesn't appear to be a psychopath. If anything, I am closer to
being one than him. His career path, and the people he lives with
probably would not have worked out that way if he were a psychopath.
Psychopaths tend to be ingratiating, they have an ability to make you
like them. Turq does not seem to have that ability to create a fake,
loving façade that will fool most people, if anything, he is the
opposite, an acquired taste that many here cannot stomach. You were
trying to get Yahoo to interfere with freedom of speech here, and Rick
did not care for such a threat. But now of course, freedom of speech
is curtailed, just in another direction, a bit more in the direction
of insanty, as he gave moderation to the one here most infected with
religion. Religious people tend not to enjoy free speech when it comes
to their sacred cows. I think all people who believe in a religion are
insane, so apparently you would fall into that category. But it is a
limited insanity. For example, you might know how to make a good cup
of coffee, and know precisely how to proceed to accomplish that and
have other skills. But the human mind comes to a strange disconnect
when it comes to religious beliefs. It is felt they must be protected
and that somehow they are different from other beliefs. But all
beliefs have one characteristic, they are a pretence to knowledge
which one does not really have, and religious beliefs tend to be
programmed into the mind at an early age where the mind is very
plastic and vulnerable and gullible. It is a form of conditioning that
results in a mechanical response to certain kinds of input later in
life. A spiritual life is one in which those conditioned beliefs are
unwound and are replaced by something you would never in a million
years expect.
