Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By description, Subud it seems starts with a quieting or transcending meditation and then various kriyas can start up. That evidently is not uncommon in meditative practices. Bhairitu offers, Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation. It is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud. In tantra we have ways of removing possession. Emptybill writes: Yep, well said. Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas. MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972. s3raphita offers, Re "a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system": Isn't that TM also?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <s3raph...@yahoo.com> wrote : I can't help you but there are parallels between Subud and TM I suspect. From Wiki: In the practice of the [Latihan] exercise, members are typically advised to follow 'what arises from within', not expecting anything in advance. One is recommended not to focus on any image or recite any mantra, nor to mix the exercise with other activities like meditation or use of drugs, but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time. So there's a similar focus on effortlessly going with the flow but whereas TM is purely "mental", Subud is "physical". It sounds to me that the two practices could complement each other. A word of warning: The method was later adopted by Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh)! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Does anybody who was made an initiator remember what Maharishi said about the practice of *Subud*? All I can remember was that anyone seeking initiation who practiced it was to stop at least six months before we could initiate them.
