--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : I'm not sure I see the point of these "Barry bulletins." Why don't you post them on FFL2? Barry is no longer on this forum, and I doubt whether anyone here wants to read about him. He was booted off for very good reasons, so why keep raising his ghost here?
Me: I think it is obviously because Barry cannot defend himself here. So he whole premise that he had to be removed because he was so scary and awful that tender hearts needed to be protected from him turns out to be a ruse. It is still a game of gotcha on Barry but now some posters here can do it without seeing his response on this site, they have to click another tab on their browser to get their Barry fix. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : Below is Barry's comment on my bulletin (posted only a little over a half-hour later--he must have been checking FFL every hour or so). Note that he doesn't acknowledge his biggest goof, that it was Doug who brought up Subud. That wasn't part of the "joke"; that was Barry being so anxious to find something to bash Doug with that he just didn't notice who had made the first post. (Or maybe he did notice and figured nobody on FFL2 would bother to check, so he'd get away with the lie.) Note also that I didn't even mention the "possessed" idea. That was obviously what Barry thinks of as a "joke" and was what the smiley face referred to. And of course Doug wouldn't have bothered to respond, much less freak out. I think Barry has been *shattered* by the events of the past months, starting with the consequences of his baby-abuse post in November. And now he's penned in with people who think like he does, and none of his usual targets within easy striking distance. He's having a very tough time keeping himself together, and it's only going to get worse. Didn't you notice the smiley face at the end of my post? I was mainly joking about Doug actually practicing Subud, although the idea of him being possessed really *would* explain much. :-) I posted what I did to see whether he'd freak out and post something insane over on FFL in response. So far, the only person who has done that, however, was the Judenator. She's dumb enough to fall for *anything*. :-) :-) :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Correct-a-mundo! Yes, I made the original post. I was bringing up the subject to see how many people remembered what Maharishi said about it. He did not like it at all. Seems he had some knowledge about it, I thought , from traveling in and around Indonesia and Singapore. He did say it had something to do with Spirit possession and caused problems with mind/body coordination. We were not to initiate anyone practicing it until they had given it up for at least six months. He, M, was very serious about it. I came away with the impression, from what M was saying, that it was worse, for your evolution, than doing drugs. From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: for teachers BARRY BULLETIN: Barry's in a state of some considerable confusion. He's accusing Doug of having brought up Subud here and of seeming to promote it; he wonders whether Doug has been "secretly *practicing* Subud for some time." Of course it was Mike Dixon who brought it up (see last quoted post below). Doug didn't even speak up until after Mike, Bhairitu, S3raphita, and emptybill had been discussing Subud for 10 posts. I'm telling you, it really is another world over there on FFL2. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Described this way, “..wholly conscious throughout and free to stop” this part of Subud does not necessarily sound like spirit or entity possession but much more like the ashram community practices coming out of meditative quietism of the old Amana Colony lineage and in Shaker village ashram practices or on courses learning the TM-Siddhis. “but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Don't know how Subud was actually portrayed by someone back then on courses to M. However there seems a spectrum of concern from spirit-ism as 'possession' and to 'channeling', to an earnest TM [spiritual] interest in cultivating ritam bhara pragya readings of pakritis of nature. Where is Nablusoss1008 when we need his specialized discernment on this subject here? By description, Subud it seems starts with a quieting or transcending meditation and then various kriyas can start up. That evidently is not uncommon in meditative practices. Bhairitu offers, Possession is not part of TM or most any other form of meditation. It is a part of other paths rituals not limited to Subud. In tantra we have ways of removing possession. Emptybill writes: Yep, well said. Spirit possession is not related to the practice of TM or any form of yoga - whether described by Patanjali or codified in the Agamas and Tantras of Vaishnavas, Shaivas or Shaktas. MMY said Subud is a form of spirit possession. Whether it is an actual spirit-entity or an amorphic spirit energy, it is still a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system. That alone marked Subud as verboten to MMY. I heard him say so in one of my TTC's - maybe at Humboldt State U. in Arcata, Calif. during the summer of 1971 or perhaps Fiuggi in the spring of 1972. s3raphita offers, Re "a form of mind-body discordance that cedes control of the nervous system": Isn't that TM also? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <s3raphita@...> wrote : I can't help you but there are parallels between Subud and TM I suspect. From Wiki: In the practice of the [Latihan] exercise, members are typically advised to follow 'what arises from within', not expecting anything in advance. One is recommended not to focus on any image or recite any mantra, nor to mix the exercise with other activities like meditation or use of drugs, but simply to intend to surrender to the Divine. During the exercise, practitioners may find that, in terms of physical and emotional expression, they involuntarily move, make sounds, walk around, dance, jump, skip, laugh, cry or whatever. The experience varies greatly for different people, but the practitioner is always wholly conscious throughout and free to stop the exercise at any time. So there's a similar focus on effortlessly going with the flow but whereas TM is purely "mental", Subud is "physical". It sounds to me that the two practices could complement each other. A word of warning: The method was later adopted by Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh)! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Does anybody who was made an initiator remember what Maharishi said about the practice of *Subud*? All I can remember was that anyone seeking initiation who practiced it was to stop at least six months before we could initiate them.
