--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > What's strange is that I forgot to mention 
> > > > > > > > codependency.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks for reminding me.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for providing my morning chuckle, Vaj.  :-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Says the comrade-in-arms while chuckling over jokes made 
> > > > > > at the expense of someone with suspected and/or 
diagnosed  
> > > > > > mental problems.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Lighten up, Lawson.  I was not laughing at the recent
> > > > > jibes made here about your medical condition, and do
> > > > > not support them.  I was laughing at Judy's compulsive
> > > > > rush to "defend" one of the people she views as a 
> > > > > "comrade-in-arms" and supporter.  The 'codependency'
> > > > > Vaj jokes about is on her side, not yours.  I found
> > > > > it funny, that's all.
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, I took it as a jibe at me since "co"-dependency 
> > > > is, well, a two-way street.
> > > > 
> > > > You can't have a single person be "co"-dependent.
> > > 
> > > You are correct, of course. I was just chuckling
> > > at the 'dependency' Vaj nailed in someone who has
> > > made an Internet 'career' out of trying to convince
> > > others that she's "right" and that they pretty much
> > > have to agree with her. Once she recruits someone
> > > into the position of agreeing with her fairly consis-
> > > tently
> > 
> > In other words, *Lawson* is the co-dependent, the
> > one who is manipulated and controlled (or the "toady,"
> > as Barry is fond of putting it).
> 
> No, exactly backwards.  As you keep saying, you might
> learn to read. I was suggesting that *you* are dependent
> on the people whom you feel agree with you.

You can suggest anything you like.  I'm just pointing
out that that isn't what "co-dependent" means.  A co-
dependent is someone who is manipulated by another
person with a personality disorder.  Only if you're
claiming Lawson is the one doing the manipulating could
you properly call me the co-dependent.  If I'm the
manipulator, then Lawson is the co-dependent.

> I was sug-
> gesting that (IMO, of course) it seems to give you
> some feeling of comfort to know that people agree 
> with you or that you have been successful in convincing
> them that you are right,

I suspect the vast majority of people feel more
comfortable with agreement than disagreement.

 and when that happens, you
> form a protective relationship with them, compulsively
> rushing in to "protect" them whenever they get into a
> challenging discussion. I could be wrong about this,
> but it's my honest opinion after watching your behavior
> for years.

Yeah, you're wrong about this.  As I said, I support
those I feel are being unfairly attacked, whether I
agree with them or not.

> Lawson does NOT need your "protection."

Has nothing to do with "protection."  It has to do
with standing up for what I feel is right, i.e.,
fairness.  Not something you'd understand, of course.

<snip>
> I really don't believe that my point of view is "right."
> It's just my point of view.  It changes daily, if not
> more often.  If your point of view or someone else's
> differs from mine, I think that's OK, and I'm going
> to try my best to not get involved in discussions that
> seem to be oriented towards proving the superiority of
> one point of view and the inferiority of the other.
> That strikes me as terribly lowvibe and not worthy of
> someone who has spent as long on a spiritual path as
> I have or as you have.  If you still get off on such
> things, I wish you well with it, but I really don't
> want to get involved any more.

<snore>  Be interesting to know exactly how many times
you've made this vow.  Between FFL and alt.m.t, it's
surely up to the several dozens by now.






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