--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eustace" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Several years ago TMO had considered Fidel Castro the > > > > personification > > > > > of the Invincibility principle, or something like that. It > was > > > > quite > > > > > appropriate given the more than 400, if I remember correctly, > > > > > assassination attempts against his person organized by the > CIA > > > and > > > > the > > > > > Miami mafia... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Too bad they didn't get him like they did that other mass- > > murderer > > > > Che Guevara. > > > > > > > > Castro is responsible for about 50,000 deaths and enslaving 11 > > > > million Cubans. > > > > > > > So, about the same as some of our recent Presidents? Johnson > with > > > his ~73,000 Vietnam War dead (American deaths only) > > > > > > > > ...deaths sacrificed in order to prevent greater suffering and > > deaths by the spread of communism... > > A lousy story in my opinion. Ironic that now that China has learned > to exploit much of its population to serve our interests, we have > firmly shut up, except for a couple of platitudes about democracy > that we trot out when we visit, which they firmly ignore. Yes, what > a beacon of anti-communism we are! > > > And, of course, as a result of the works of anti-war, anti- > American > > people like yourself, America pulled out of Vietnam and then the > > REAL killing and suffering started in SouthEast Asia: more people > > died in the 2 years following the U.S. pullout than during the > > entire 14 years of American involvement. > > > And ironically we supported much of it, by our defacto support of > the genocide in Cambodia, because of our stubborn unwillingness to > back the enemies of Cambodia, the Vietnamese. > > > > > came to mind. > > > Though I don't recall specifically the dictators he supported > > under > > > his administration so I can't correlate the 11 million enslaved. > > > > > > And Bush the first killed roughly 100,000 Iraqis during the > first > > > war, and then allowed Sadaam to remain in power, enslaving > roughly > > > 25 million. > > > > > > > > That is such a silly comment that I won't even comment upon it. > > > Please refute it if you can. > > > > > > > > Oh, and Reagan propped up quite a few central american > > dictatorships > > > during his terms, easily surpassing the '11 million enslaved' > > > number. > > > > > > > > > > Right-wing dictators are horrible people...BUT when the choice was > > between communism and right-wing dictators, the latter were ALWAYS > > the better choice. > > > > Care to look at the score card? > > > Please see previous comment about China. > > > > > > > > Damn, you're making Castro out to be some kind of wimp or > > something! > > > No wonder we hate him so much, he doesn't even kick ass like we > > do! > > > > > > You really need to learn your history. > > > > > > > > > > And so un-American of him to unilaterally kick out the US > > > corporations and Mafia who were actually enslaving his country. > > > > > > Again, you really need to learn your history and not the bullshit > > and propaganda that the mass-murderer CAstro would have you > believe. > > > > Pre-Castro Cuba was a place that had a VERY high immigration and, > > relative to the rest of Latin America, a very high standard of > > living and socio-economic indicators. > > > > Now they are near the bottom...and any successes that they have is > > actually due to the little capitalism that they allow on the > Island > > as well as the U.S. dollars Miami relatives send them. > > > > > > > > > Bastard! At least he could've allowed them by proxy as Sadaam > and > > > the South African apartheid governments did! Geez! > > > > > > I am happy to see that you join MMY in praising this dictator. > > > The point I am attempting to make through all of this is not some > Castro praising, anti US diatribe. Rather that there is a middle > ground, and that our country has much blood on its hands, leads to a > huge amount of killing and suffering due to its massive military > machine, and that by not recognizing this, we are perpetuating the > thinking, such as you have implied, that the only way to deal with > those who oppose us, or who we oppose is to kill them, while killing > many of ourselves in the process. > > Don't you see the senselessness in such an approach?
Not complete senselessness. As much as I have criticism of MMY and the TMO, I most readily acknowledge that the way to bring peace to the world and minimize killing is to have more and more people meditating and raising consiciousness. That, ultimately, is the best way to ensure peace and prosperity for all throughout the world. Until that utopia is achieved, the agenda of the USA has proven itself to be the most successful in minimizing suffering and death in the world and maximizing peace and prosperity. The historic record confirms this and despite the tally of killing that has occurred in the USA's name, it is a fraction of what has been created by the alternative. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
