No, you didn't exactly put it like that but that is about what it boiled down to. I was just being blunt and to the point, somewhat Trumpesq. You were advocating women being drafted and "perhaps surviving such an ordeal",(of trauma with help and understanding)," they would bring compassion to their job as a parent". Sounding like a Fox news commentator is fine with me. I take it you have never listened to any MSNBC commentators LoL. Aught to try it though... might get a *thrill up your leg*. From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military Mike, it always amuses me when people who were never married, didn't have to be a provider for a family and didn't have children think they *know* things about these topics. You suppose things—until you've walked in the shoes of another, you'll never *know.* Because you think you *know,*, you come across as rigidly judgmental. I know this because I recognize myself, at times, in this trait of yours. Re: "As for subjecting women to the trauma of war and it's effects so they can be more compassionate? Really?: You are translating me as if you were a Fox news commentator. I never said any such thing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Several women... over thousands of years! Wow! Yes, women did follow the armies, as late as the American civil war but you might check out what their purpose was. It wasn't just as nurses. It was more of an *economic* benefit. Women have never served in a combat role in any wars that I'm aware of. Were there exceptions to the rules? Of course, there is always a Joan of Arc type story. There were stories of women joining the Union army but these were anomalies. So we can't really measure the effects of combat stress on them or their motherhood. Should we experiment with that? For people that claim to be pacifists to demand that women be represented in combat makes my head spin! WTF? That isn't being constructive, it's trying to turn the cart upside down. *Old school*? Yeah, maybe we need a little more *old school*. It seems the *new school* isn't having that much success. With the rise of single parent households, we're seeing more dysfunctional families, more violent crime among juveniles , higher incarceration rates for young people, but we're getting into another topic. BTW, Elephants grow up in a matriarchal society. The young bull elephants usually become uncontrollable as they reach puberty. Their mothers have no control over them. Recently, park rangers have taken some of the more disruptive young bulls away and placed them with more mature Bull elephants out of the herd. The older bulls read the younger ones the riot act and instill discipline. The younger ones learn their manors and settle down quickly, Father/son relationship. Mother/son doesn't seem to cut it. As for subjecting women to the trauma of war and it's effects so they can be more compassionate? Really? PTSD isn't something you turn on and off. It affects the whole person and not in a beneficial way. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : You think *possibly* quite a few women fought Alexander's armies? Really? Maybe they fought off rapists but I seriously doubt they fought as soldiers, but then maybe you could enlighten us with some archeologically/anthropological facts.Warriors, particularly Kshatriya were *protectors* of women, children the elderly and society in general. Stories of Amazons were just that, stories and legends by the Greeks. I looked it up and was surprised that there was mention of several women in the history books who had risen up against him. Where goeth one woman goeth an army, if only a more strategic, silent army. We will never know for sure. You might listen to a few more Maharishi tapes regarding the human nervous system. He frequently spoke about women having a more refined and delicate nervous system which allowed them to have even deeper experiences than many men. He also spoke about the effects of stress on human evolution. Smile. Yes, I might, but that ship has sailed in my life. I do remember reading that women's brains are more interconnected (between "right" and "left" sides of the brain). I am in total agreement that "stress" has a deleterious effect over time on one's physical, mental, emotional and spiritual self. Maharishi said that a new born's level of consciousness is closest to that of the mother. Don't disagree with this although I don't have any idea what he meant by "level of consciousness." The baby and mother are intimately connected. Children are born with their own, individual "soul," however, imho. What effect would something like PTSD have on a child born to a mother with that condition. It's a good point; PTSD in either parent puts the stability of the family at risk. A greater level of governmental support to families who make the ultimate sacrifice is needed. We need to get very *real* as a society about PTSD. Still carries a "shame" stigma. No one is exempt. If we ask or draft our young people into an army, we need to be ready to *really* support them on their return, if they return. We know the kinds of effects Alcohol, and drugs consumed by pregnant mothers has on new born children. Yes, we do. Imho, it is important to fully educate all of the troops before they sign on the dotted line on the potential long-term effects to their lives from joining the military and fighting in a war. "Be the best you can be" doesn't cut it. So far, women haven't been forced into combat situations, exposing them to that trauma. Do we really want to go there? I like the idea that the military will be looking at setting certain standards for each category of position, that either male or female would have to meet. Yeah, I do think exposing women to the trauma of combat could make them, in general, terrible mothers. You may have an opinion, but truthfully, you "know" nothing of what you speak. Did those women who survived WWII make terrible mothers? War is full of trauma, not just the trauma of direct combat. Perhaps surviving such an ordeal and with the support of a society that cared about their recovery, they would bring real reverence for life and gratitude and compassion to their job as a parent. In our current social structure, women are the nurturers while fathers are the providers. Old school, Mike, very old school. Completely not true in "our current social structure." Do you want mothers with PTSD raising small children? Shaken baby syndrome is bad enough already. Reintroducing tens of thousands of women of child baring age, back from combat, could only make such situations worse. You are assuming here that PTSD leads to "shaken baby syndrome?" Quite the biased leap; see my comment above. That's like Empty assuming that socialism leads to the creation of "Hitler" types. "I have no idea what you're talking about" was probably the most intelligent comment you have made in that post. Ha ha; thank *YOU* for clarifying your post. As with all issues associated with waging war, there is an ethical dilemma that needs to be considered. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : WWMD? Doesn't sound very *Vedic* to me. Wondering how many women fought Alexander the Great. Possibly quite a few. Doesn't Maharishi talk about the delicate female nervous system and it should be protected to protect future generations, or sumpin like that? What in the world does this mean? We're already producing a lot of *f*ed up kids as it is. What are you talking about here and how does this point relate to either what MMY said (whatever it was) or the point in question? Imagine women coming home from prolonged military engagements and then having kids. Do you think this isn't happening? What are you trying to imply here? That women who serve in the military or in combat positions will make terrible mothers? Huh? I don't know, maybe just the *chauvinism* in me. Watcha think Emily and Anne? I have *NO IDEA* what you are talking about. -------------------------------------------------------- I'm a conscientious objector and I am completely opposed to the draft for everyone. If there is a draft under the most extreme of circumstances, it should be an equal opportunity draft. No more baby boomer generations! Why should society take care of all those extra people? Who is going to pay for that? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military Two generals recommended this idea to a senate panel. 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