either way... go and sin no more.
From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
"Absolved" (smile).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
You are Obsolved dear one.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
Mike, I was not advocating women being drafted! I stated I was opposed to a
draft at all (for both men and women!)
I said I was in favor of the military setting standards for different positions
within the military.
I said, if, in *extreme* circumstances, a draft is necessary, then, yes, let it
apply to both genders. However, if they move forward with standards, then the
criteria would dictate the outcome.
I stated that your point was a good one and that it did represent an ethical
dilemma, so to speak. I believe that putting women in combat, given that we
carry the children (biologically), and that there could/would possibly be
long-term consequences that we don't know about yet, IS something to consider.
For goodness sake, men were at risk in positions that involved marching if they
had flat feet and might not be able to perform!
I said, and I believe this, that surviving traumatic and/or painful situations
in life CAN lead to a more compassionate approach. That doesn't mean I
advocate this path to compassion!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
No, you didn't exactly put it like that but that is about what it boiled down
to. I was just being blunt and to the point, somewhat Trumpesq. You were
advocating women being drafted and "perhaps surviving such an ordeal",(of
trauma with help and understanding)," they would bring compassion to their job
as a parent".
Sounding like a Fox news commentator is fine with me. I take it you have never
listened to any MSNBC commentators LoL. Aught to try it though... might get a
*thrill up your leg*.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
Mike, it always amuses me when people who were never married, didn't have to
be a provider for a family and didn't have children think they *know* things
about these topics. You suppose things—until you've walked in the shoes of
another, you'll never *know.* Because you think you *know,*, you come across
as rigidly judgmental. I know this because I recognize myself, at times, in
this trait of yours.
Re: "As for subjecting women to the trauma of war and it's effects so they can
be more compassionate? Really?:
You are translating me as if you were a Fox news commentator. I never said any
such thing.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Several women... over thousands of years! Wow! Yes, women did follow the
armies, as late as the American civil war but you might check out what their
purpose was. It wasn't just as nurses. It was more of an *economic* benefit.
Women have never served in a combat role in any wars that I'm aware of. Were
there exceptions to the rules? Of course, there is always a Joan of Arc type
story. There were stories of women joining the Union army but these were
anomalies. So we can't really measure the effects of combat stress on them or
their motherhood. Should we experiment with that? For people that claim to be
pacifists to demand that women be represented in combat makes my head spin!
WTF? That isn't being constructive, it's trying to turn the cart upside down.
*Old school*? Yeah, maybe we need a little more *old school*. It seems the *new
school* isn't having that much success. With the rise of single parent
households, we're seeing more dysfunctional families, more violent crime among
juveniles , higher incarceration rates for young people, but we're getting into
another topic.
BTW, Elephants grow up in a matriarchal society. The young bull elephants
usually become uncontrollable as they reach puberty. Their mothers have no
control over them. Recently, park rangers have taken some of the more
disruptive young bulls away and placed them with more mature Bull elephants out
of the herd. The older bulls read the younger ones the riot act and instill
discipline. The younger ones learn their manors and settle down quickly,
Father/son relationship. Mother/son doesn't seem to cut it.
As for subjecting women to the trauma of war and it's effects so they can be
more compassionate? Really? PTSD isn't something you turn on and off. It
affects the whole person and not in a beneficial way.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
You think *possibly* quite a few women fought Alexander's armies? Really? Maybe
they fought off rapists but I seriously doubt they fought as soldiers, but then
maybe you could enlighten us with some archeologically/anthropological
facts.Warriors, particularly Kshatriya were *protectors* of women, children the
elderly and society in general. Stories of Amazons were just that, stories and
legends by the Greeks.
I looked it up and was surprised that there was mention of several women in the
history books who had risen up against him. Where goeth one woman goeth an
army, if only a more strategic, silent army. We will never know for sure.
You might listen to a few more Maharishi tapes regarding the human nervous
system. He frequently spoke about women having a more refined and delicate
nervous system which allowed them to have even deeper experiences than many
men. He also spoke about the effects of stress on human evolution.
Smile. Yes, I might, but that ship has sailed in my life. I do remember
reading that women's brains are more interconnected (between "right" and "left"
sides of the brain). I am in total agreement that "stress" has a deleterious
effect over time on one's physical, mental, emotional and spiritual self.
Maharishi said that a new born's level of consciousness is closest to that of
the mother.
Don't disagree with this although I don't have any idea what he meant by "level
of consciousness." The baby and mother are intimately connected. Children are
born with their own, individual "soul," however, imho.
What effect would something like PTSD have on a child born to a mother with
that condition.
It's a good point; PTSD in either parent puts the stability of the family at
risk. A greater level of governmental support to families who make the
ultimate sacrifice is needed. We need to get very *real* as a society about
PTSD. Still carries a "shame" stigma. No one is exempt. If we ask or draft
our young people into an army, we need to be ready to *really* support them on
their return, if they return.
We know the kinds of effects Alcohol, and drugs consumed by pregnant mothers
has on new born children.
Yes, we do. Imho, it is important to fully educate all of the troops before
they sign on the dotted line on the potential long-term effects to their lives
from joining the military and fighting in a war. "Be the best you can be"
doesn't cut it.
So far, women haven't been forced into combat situations, exposing them to that
trauma. Do we really want to go there?
I like the idea that the military will be looking at setting certain standards
for each category of position, that either male or female would have to meet.
Yeah, I do think exposing women to the trauma of combat could make them, in
general, terrible mothers.
You may have an opinion, but truthfully, you "know" nothing of what you speak.
Did those women who survived WWII make terrible mothers? War is full of
trauma, not just the trauma of direct combat. Perhaps surviving such an ordeal
and with the support of a society that cared about their recovery, they would
bring real reverence for life and gratitude and compassion to their job as a
parent.
In our current social structure, women are the nurturers while fathers are the
providers.
Old school, Mike, very old school. Completely not true in "our current social
structure."
Do you want mothers with PTSD raising small children? Shaken baby syndrome is
bad enough already. Reintroducing tens of thousands of women of child baring
age, back from combat, could only make such situations worse.
You are assuming here that PTSD leads to "shaken baby syndrome?" Quite the
biased leap; see my comment above. That's like Empty assuming that socialism
leads to the creation of "Hitler" types.
"I have no idea what you're talking about" was probably the most intelligent
comment you have made in that post.
Ha ha; thank *YOU* for clarifying your post. As with all issues associated
with waging war, there is an ethical dilemma that needs to be considered.
From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
WWMD? Doesn't sound very *Vedic* to me. Wondering how many women fought
Alexander the Great.
Possibly quite a few.
Doesn't Maharishi talk about the delicate female nervous system and it should
be protected to protect future generations, or sumpin like that?
What in the world does this mean?
We're already producing a lot of *f*ed up kids as it is.
What are you talking about here and how does this point relate to either what
MMY said (whatever it was) or the point in question?
Imagine women coming home from prolonged military engagements and then having
kids.
Do you think this isn't happening? What are you trying to imply here?
That women who serve in the military or in combat positions will make terrible
mothers? Huh?
I don't know, maybe just the *chauvinism* in me. Watcha think Emily and Anne?
I have *NO IDEA* what you are talking about.
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I'm a conscientious objector and I am completely opposed to the draft for
everyone.
If there is a draft under the most extreme of circumstances, it should be an
equal opportunity draft. No more baby boomer generations! Why should society
take care of all those extra people? Who is going to pay for that?
From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 12:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Women Should be Drafted into the Military
Two generals recommended this idea to a senate panel. What do you think?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/generals-women-register-draft-161631772--politics.html
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