Any recourse for changing the guidelines or their enforcement for any of this is obscure at best. Redress happens at a pay level way above all of ours and is hidden there. But pretty clearly all of this rests now with the three Drs., Morris, Hagelin, and Nader.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Good observation on how it can go. Yes, there is a working document like this that is logical and based on specifics now that is being passed around that has recommendations in it. It is based on metrics and it is a comprehensive way of thinking about a series of troubles the University and Movement have. The document’s creation as a proposal has spurred sub-groups of trustees and groups of faculty and groups of staff to become motivated in drawing up specific strategic changes in the University and the larger movement. There is a lot in play right now. Is to be seen if the upper admin of the status quo movement (the three Drs.) can themselves lead on this together and will facilitate the sea change that is going on underneath or will try to sit on it. olliesedwuz writes: Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the further consequences of what have set in place. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Thanks, Ollie. Yours is really a well grounded enlightened response. A problem in the middle of TM is that the guidelines for participation are unknown to most except the people who do the interrogation of applicants and the staff handlers. It has been that way a long time. I have been able to read the guidelines on several occasions over the years. There is not much good reason why the guidelines need to be held secret from everyone. It is not necessarily that the staff who enforce the guidelines over people are bad people but it is that the guidelines themselves which they enforce are bad. There is a vindictiveness in them which has been long crippling to the community. Actually some of the people who have been staff there enforcing the guidelines strictly have been very good at that enforcement, if that is the objective. The problem is the guidelines themselves are bad and unresponsive to time. The staff and their handlers can’t do anything about that except possibly not enforce things at times, which can then become arbitrary. The whole situation is looking for remediation. It will take the urging of the three Drs. (Morris, Hagelin and Nader) at the head of the whole organization to put their heads together and come out with some better leadership on all this. It is said that 'change comes from within'. In the case of the TM movement change that would remediate this communal problem has to come at the level of the three Drs. over all this. That is a cultural problem now that is corporate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote : Is there still the ability to place this back in the realm of logic, where those who are creating an obstruction can be presented with a concrete list of necessary changes? Apologies if I missed it, but has that been tried? Assembling a grounded list of changes to existing policies, and then working through each item via discussion is the only way to broach this. And if those in opposition to change refuse to listen, then they must be allowed to see the further consequences of what have set in place. There was only one Maharishi and he is gone, so any decisions must now be made on the basis of logic and goal-orientation. No more Maharishi would have said. Much messier now, a situation calling for someone who can transcend the hurt feelings and sense of righteousness, that sound pervasive from your description. The other thing to consider is what others have mentioned. What is the downside to it all going away, except the process to continue the marketing and teaching of TM and the TM Siddhis programs? Maharishi designed his programs for householders, without an external support mechanisms needed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : There’s a lot of judgement of ‘sinning’ in TM going on and there is a lot of personal judgement of people going on in TM. We have some strict Preservationists who judge the practitioners and then we have the practitioners who as a community judge the preservationists. It is judgement to some standard and where capricious the judgement becomes personal and vendetta that is self indulgent, selfish, relentlessly indulged. TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : We’ve got a terrible Catch-22 in the middle of TM right now with the movement’s TM Dome group meditation participation guidelines. On the one hand Strict preservation originalist religious ideologues within the middle at the top of TM feel that the older meditator community and old TM teachers have “sinned” against original policy and guideline and should necessarily be disciplined, while on the other hand the old and young meditating community finds the TM leadership itself has in any number of ways ‘sinned’ as leaders of the community. This is all really bad for and works against the Dome meditation numbers right now. It would take some extraordinary leadership to reconcile. A Great Mediator. Could a forgiveness be found somewhere on either side? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It would be good if all of us could participate in group program ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It would be good, If practitioners can get approval. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The situation is dire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Om! The situation could use a great ‘mediator’ to reconcile some forgiveness from both sides, the strict preservationists and the practitioners, to save its communal group meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : FW: Secondly, many hundreds, if not thousands, of Sidhas and Governors all over the country are convinced that 'the worst', more glaring (and most damaging) example of violation of the excellent and true principles .. is the so-called 'monitoring' system of the IAA Grant. Statistics .. carefully kept (with the help of MUM and other statistical experts) show that it was this 'monitoring' system that mainly (not only) stopped 14 consecutive months (year-on-year) of higher Super Radiance participation dead in its tracks in the month of August, 2012, and has resulted in 40 consecutive lower months since it went in ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It seems an upper leadership is incredibly isolated. It’s no wonder the leaders and the larger movement community have moved away from each other and it has gone the way it has. Is pitiable really, given the science and spirituality at stake. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : They have a cultural problem built in to the guidelines that they use to judge meditators. We have long been losing numbers of meditators faster than they can manufacture them. It is going to take a revolutionary culture change inside the leadership to right this. Can it happen fast enough? Can culture change happen in the movement at the top fast enough to save itself and us? upfronter writes: Perhaps one reason why there is not 100% attendance is because a lot of people do not actually believe that what they are being told in such a matter-of-fact way is accurate and factual. A meditator continues to meditate because they have a clear and subjectively recognisable benefit from doing so. It is true in some number of cases that as some people are meditators they are are not necessarily interested in doing the 'long' program much anymore. Meditators yes, but not doing the TM-sidhis. But when it moves into the arena of expanded applied Vedic philosophies, as nice as these are in creating interests and spawning various communities, it appears to some, now with hindsight due to early pioneers, that this is just guesswork, wishful thinking or ideological fervour. emptybill writes: Fairfield is now the Damascus of Iowa. All those duplicitous yajña-s are scams that the devata-s easily see. Why would they want to come and abide there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : It seems a leadership is isolated from its meditaors and so unable to redeem itself that the conflict is worst than stalemate and the group meditation languishes. By many metrics the movement is running out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yep, is a sorry thing to watch those so hopeful and earnest TM ideologues at the top of TM and see how they have lost it so badly with the movement. It seems they can’t see it at all and as they would honestly do so they are so afraid of making a mistake if they should change anything that they have done, seventhray27 writes: Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Winning And Losing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw Funny Andy Griffith Gives Cam Newton Advice On Wi... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw Ok Ok Ok.... so we all know that Cam Newton doesn't make an especially effective "Opie" - but the roles are a slam dunk for the way Cam Newton has act... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o79oQJu9Bw Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Who would want to subject themselves to the interrogation of their private lives judged against some unknown and unseen guidelines by people judging that you don’t even meet in the process? It is set up to instill a weirdness in the group and inject a marinated fear in to the mind of the Dome meditation. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : There’s a communal problem here, in meditators not wanting to go to the Domes for that group meditation anymore. Seems there has been a lot of communal hurt and disenfranchisement around the group meditation there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The group meditation numbers in the movement Domes are really tiny now. This is a communal problem here. There are over 1,500 Sidhas and Governors in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City. It would be good if all of us could participate in group program ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mikemail4you@...> wrote : JAI GURU DEV
