--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > enlightenment does not adhere > > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. > > > > I've been given to understand that enlightenment > > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to > > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists > > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when > > their adherents attain end states they call awakening > > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their > > experiences differently from one another but > > consistent with their traditions. > > > > Native Americans have no such states in their > > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not > > something that all traditions recognize. > > > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept > > determines percept. > > > > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. > > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. > > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with > > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to > > any tradition. > > > Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish > to read no further... > > Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot > of them, to serve us all in such diversity. > > What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, > the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and > in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the > same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever.
Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just spouting off platitudes that sound good. > Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of > the spiritual traditions become accessible, And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened? > so that we gain a much > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can > enjoy them as we wish. Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living</a>. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
