--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
>
> Peter writes:
> What strikes me as odd in these discussions is the
> degree of hostility. Why do people get so pissed-off
> if someone talks about some sort of Realization
> experience? 
> 
> Tom T opinion:
> It would appear that the self appointed Dogma/thought patrol 

Does one exist? Or is that simply an impression you have?

> has to
> have everything posted in the scientific method in triplicate.

Ok, now I guess you are just jossing us. haha


> Any
> personal experience that doesn't follow that self appointed group's
> method is immediately jumped on as insubstantial, self aggrandizing
> and untrue. 

That appears to be your impression. My impression is quite the
opposite. Recently I have seen no one jump anyones discussion of a
poster's  personal experience. How odd we can have such different
impression! Well I guess we weill just have to leave it to that --
some difference in perception. 

If on the other hand you are claiming more than an impression, but an
actual fact, then please cite some specific examples for those of us
that appear to be less perceptive than you and did not catch these
recent "slams" on experience posters. Thanks.

> It appears that one is definitely guilty until one can
> prove ones innocence in triplicate with a fully certified scientific
> process that has been read and approved and published in at least
> three peer reviewed journals. 

"Appears" is a great word. The above appears to you. It does not
appear to me. To convince me or I assume most observers, you would
need too actualy cite some examples, not just impressions. One of the
stellar contributions of the cognitive sciences is that much
"impression" is indeed not fact but some bias of quirk in the
observers head. We all have them. The trick is to be aware such can
occure and ask BK style, "Is this true" "Do I really know its true" ... 

> Any post that does not follow the above
> rules of the self appointed thought/dogma patrol then are fair game
> for slash, burn and dump invective.  

Its funny you see destruction, and invective everywhere. I see none.
Perhaps I am wearing pollyannaish rose glasses. I will check my
perceptions. Or perhaps you woke up on the wrong side of the bed and
are a bit cranky this morning. Who knows. Lets both investigate from
our own sides.

> From my side they can take a long
> walk off a short dock or suck eggs whichever seems most appropriate.

Ah, such a refreshing view of compassion and love for ones owe Self
found everywhere in the infinite expanse of Brahaman -- the pure
expression of Bliss. Its so beautiful.

And just a point of clarification, you have stated that everything
from that mind body known socially as Tom is Brahman staring through
"Tom's eyes". Taking your phrase, or I mean Brahman's phrase, "From my
side ..." -- does Brahman have a side?

 







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