--- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > > enlightenment does not adhere > > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. > > > > I've been given to understand that enlightenment > > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to > > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists > > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when > > their adherents attain end states they call awakening > > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their > > experiences differently from one another but > > consistent with their traditions. > > > > Native Americans have no such states in their > > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not > > something that all traditions recognize. > > > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept > > determines percept. > > > > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. > > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. > > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with > > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to > > any tradition. > > > ******** > > Gee, Patrick, I 'm crushed to see how quickly you've forgotten "process and product are > one". > > L B S
I think 'process and product" or "process percipitates product" or "process produces pupil" or "process pre-determines perception" "process predisposes perception" are all good angles that may account for quite different ahcievments and subsequent views by spiritual aspirants. The dogmatic, knee-jerk view is "many paths, one mountain", while the reality may be "many paths, many moutains" (coined by LBS?) Regardless, all such are opinions without some field work, experience in various traditions' practices, or at least review of current scholarshipint he matter (which I understand is vast). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
