You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things. I can see where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position and title. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or correction, would there? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Ya know....maybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. Obviously I was mistaken. That does happen, perhaps not to you. Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part. It does change things. Do you mind revealing from whence this number came? Thank you again. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the horse's mouth, as it were. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you are capable of such. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Thanks, Sal, for your reply. This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not rushing off to work. But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done. But, given the state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, an expectation along these lines. That's all I'm saying. Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say. Our culture is so dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way. More comments later, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote : Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet? Do you have any idea of what it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry? Not to mention whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment in the sun. Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances. But when someone’s “investment” is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to be the stuff of science fiction. The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception. She most likely just started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick. Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year. Sal On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for that title. There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would think would go along with that role. Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?