--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], > "lurkernomore20002000" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > No puja = no parashakti. Slow, slow path. A dead > > > mantra. Too bad. Why were they so arrogant as to > > > remove the puja? Who's name do they teach in? > They're > > > own? Where do they say this practice came from, > the > > > tradition of Gunther? Sound like spiritual fools > to > > > me. Of course all IMHO > > > -Sri Peter (Knows everything) > > > > > So, you mean Herbie Benson's relaxation response > does no good, or > > perhaps may produce relaxation but no spiritual > growth. And that > the > > mantras have an enlivening quality other than as a > vehicle to the > > transcendent. Personally, I like my mantra. Would > not want to > trade. > > I am just curious if the two approaches have any > measureable > > difference, or if the difference is just on the > meta level. > > Good questions. When a team of TMing and non-TMing > scientists > attempted to impart 3 different meditation > techniques to a randomly > selected group of elderly residents of rest homes, > the findings were > that the attempt instill the same level of > expectation for all three > techniques had suceeded but that what the > researchers were calling > Benson's RElaxation Response had the least effect of > the three > techniques, while TM had the most effect on most > measures. > > Benson's response: it wasn't really the relaxation > response that was > taught even though the researcher in charge of > training the RR > teachers had been a proponent of the technique. Without the shakti of the guru, a mantra, while having some effects, will not produce them same effect as a mantra that has been "charged" with shakti. MMY even mentioned this once when asked if people who read one of the TM mantras from a newspaper and start to meditate with it would experience any benefits. He said they would, but it would be very slow. > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? > Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
