In spiritual circles it seems there is an amalgamation of nomenclature going on that is drawing from different cultural traditions and historical periods about spiritual ‘states’ of presence. One can see a cross-cultural postmodern language-ing developing in the SAND conference talks and places like on Rick Archer ’s Batgap interviews of spiritually awakening folks who are from across different cultures or backgrounds.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : #Nomenclature the jivan mukta, the embodiment of the soul, some old TM'ers writing about it.. ..It is tricky territory. Descriptions are often confused with other stages or sound paradoxical. It's not something the mind can "get" as it’s so outside of experience - even for someone in advanced Unity. Some that do use the term are referring to presence or consciousness rather than actual Brahman. .. but in terms of stages of development and part of a process. Those that do talk about it often only do so with advanced students. It’s not what they speak about in introductory stuff. Maharishi included. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/conversations/messages/10017 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : The nomenclature, It is interesting in trend to see nomenclature equating that is going on between people of different spiritual systems or lineage in these postmodern times. At the SAND (science and nonduality) conference, ‘consciousness’ as a term seems to be commonly supplanted for favoring ‘presence’, or ‘states of presence’, like a new-speak by-pass around pure awareness, consciousness or wakefulness to connote a spiritual state of Being. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Amana is a Sanskrit term which means ‘without mind’. Amanaskata is a condition where there is no mind. It is mindlessness. This is the state in which jivanmuktas or liberated beings exist. .. this could be frightening to a layperson's read, describing this state as ‘mindlessness’, and it could easily feed into a prejudice anyway about spiritual people being ungrounded witless disconnected impractical people, or worse. (On a scale or spectrum of ‘state’, this jivanmukta mind is a lot different from the working of a disordered mind..like the narcissistic disordered mind.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : But for instance In that state in life (jivanmukti),.. activity of the mind arises as one needs it, for the mukti. Qualified, it is not that the spiritual state is mindless or incapacitated but the mind becomes silent and mental activity arises, mental activity is in relationship to consciousness which is then abiding. The mind becomes a tool in relationship to what is is needed. Some reading this nomenclature about mindlessness without context one would think you are just walking around witless. No, it is about the scope of relationship of what we experience as mental quietness, and consciousness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : the jivan mukta, the embodiment of the soul, while living.. article: The Mind of a Jivanmukta http://www.yogamag.net/archives/2009/bfeb09/jivan.shtml http://www.yogamag.net/archives/2009/bfeb09/jivan.shtml