In defense of the research it is said, “..in order to be published in a leading independent scientific research journal, our papers are subject to a rigorous review process by non-meditating scholars, most of whom are highly skeptical of our theory, and who intensively review our research and methods to insure that they meet the highest standard of research quality. Only a very small proportion of all scientific research of any kind is done well enough to be accepted into leading peer-reviewed journals.”
"..Many people have many opinions on how to improve things-- better policing, healthier economies, more guns, less guns, etc. But all these interventions are hard to agree on or hard to implement.” -Article published in the FF Weekly Reader ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : The dispute seems mainly to be over how science works. One could wonder about some of the skepticism given out on the internet, given some nature of some personal narrative of a hurt with the meditating movement or personal ideologies of some of the people who are in categorical vehemence against meditation and ™ in particular, if they could read this research with objectivity. “The more critical reason dominates, the more impoverished life becomes.. Overvalued reason has this in common with political absolutism: under its dominion, the individual is pauperized.” -Carl Gustav Jung ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : In context these papers being published are movement ahead just doing the science evidently disputing the old saws of criticism. As painful as this current science seems to be for some of the skeptical, evidently for different reasons, the ‘replications’ and statistical p-value significance of this science are in fact noteworthy interesting science process in the postmodern. That's the problem: There's zero "controlled testing". Just another feeble attempt to prove the ME (The Maharishi - Effect, now called the Meissner-like effect.. I'm not saying there's no ME. It's simply beyond the capacity of modern science to measure it objectively. Correlation is not causation. How many times do people need to repeat that? Yes, more controlled study is certainly needed to to drill down into understanding the Meissner-like effect mechanism of meditation. Healthy skepticism of the correlation hardly negates the certainty of the published research. “..There is a 3 in 10,000 trillion probability that the reductions in the homicide rate could simply be due to chance.” It only takes what? Evidently only about 2000 people meditating in the same place at the same time doing TM and the TM-sidhi program. New, solid, published, peer-reviewed research has indicated once again (in replication) how meditation can change the world for the better. -FF Weekly Reader ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : Thanks. If one or other of the authors is still at MUM maybe you could contact them. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published Yes, and apparently there are more papers coming to be published with a similar level of certainty based on publicly available public health stats. The 'replication' in certainty of their observations coming in to an aggregate as statistical fact seems to get more and more uncomfortable for some critics who may for ideological reason would like to believe otherwise, sort of like it seems for science-deniers in other areas of public policy and publicly available data sets. These papers on meditation will probably be available to read from other channels in time, places like Truth about ™ and Honest Truth about ™. They are not in the farm journals I subscribe to. I will see who I run into around here as to getting copies that we can all easily read. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : .. is there a published data set of dome numbers since the construction of the domes? It would be nice to see. I am not disputing the possibility there is the stated effect, but that there are other correlations that are just as plausible such as safer cars. The promotional PDF states, "For example, the reduction in motor vehicle fatality rates could not be explained by the total number of vehicle miles traveled, weather patterns, the proportion of young drivers, improved vehicle safety features, improved roadway conditions, or alcohol consumption." But the promotional document gives no indication how those conclusions were arrived at. The paper needs to disprove these alternative explanations, not just dismiss them. Maybe they are in the full paper? The federal government seems to think auto safety features are the reason for the fatality decline, which is the most plausible explanation. There is also Journal Quality as a metric for published research.There is something called the h-index which is a metric used to evaluate this. The top Journals Nature, and Science, have an h-index of 948 and 915 respectively while the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks 49, not very good by comparison, though some journals rank 0. Another ranking called SJR (SCImago Journal Rank) has Nature and Science at 21 and 13 respectively, and the Journal of Consciousness Studies ranks at 0.25. These rankings indicate that poorer quality scientific papers get published in this consciousness journal, that fewer scenentists are interested in stuff published here. If you are a scientist, not very good, and want to be published, then you look for lower ranked journals to try to get published. The journal wants almost $30 for a PDF of the full paper, which is only summarized by the PDF posted here. Does one of the scientists have a copy they could send you which you could post? They usually have these things on hand. The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingenta Connect http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/00000024/F0020001/art00003 The Contribution of Proposed Field Effects of Consciousness to th...: Ingen... By Cavanaugh, K.L. http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/imp/jcs/2017/00000024/F0020001/art00003 Another point, Scientific Journals are not Scripture. But continue to meditate. The byproducts of meditation, whatever they are, are not as important as enlightenment. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published Observations and correlations about meditation and well-being were made throughout the last half of the 20th Century in published pilot research. A rightly skeptical criticism of that body of scientific research conducted has been that much which was substantial was without “replication”. The challenge in 'repetition' from a general decline in the teaching of meditation to new practitioners and the separation of many experienced practitioners from organized group practice of group meditations in the 1990’s and 2000’s was then obtaining repetition in that scope of research occurring previously in the 1970’s and 1980’s in the shear size of those previous meditating groups to measure with controls. This scale of size recurred again, occurring for a period of time running between 2007 and 2010. These published papers as hypothesis testing appear now as 'critical' replications in the correlation process of science. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : ArcherAngel, It would seem you could legitimately lodge your beefs on the research with the journals themselves and their peer review processes. It would be interesting to hear their responses. You did notice and open in the original post on this topic that a pdf of the research was included? As replication testing of hypothesis these papers seems significant, like to.. The probability that the reduced trend for motor vehicle fatalities could simply be due to chance was reported to be 3.7 in 10 million million and for fatalities due to other accidents, less than 8.4 in 1 million. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <archonan...@yahoo.com> wrote : There are other explanations for this outside the TM organization's universe, it is attributed to better vehicle construction, and now that vehicles are appearing that can sense potential danger, the drop in fatalities should continue to go down. Correlation is not causation. One of the problems of designing a study is making sure there are no other plausible explanations for an effect, something TM scientists are particularly adept at avoiding. Those years also included the beginning of the recession and included large fluctuations in gasoline prices, perhaps people also drove less as prices increased. "Federal transportation officials believe that much of the credit for saving lives in accidents goes to the enhanced safety systems that are now available in many automobiles." Traffic Accident Fatalities Drop to Lowest Level in Decades https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/ Helmer, Conley & Kasselman, P.A. Put over 400 years of legal experience on your side. Contact us today for an initial consultation. We are here f... https://www.helmerlegal.com/blog/Traffic-Accident-Fatalities-Drop-to-Lowest-Level-in-Decades/ It would be nice if the TM effect could be studied under more controlled conditions, for if it is real, then scientists, not just those in the movement, would take notice. As it is, these effects are not believed outside the TM movement. Outside the movement, movement studies are mostly regarded as poor quality science designed for the promotion of TM rather than the discovery of truth. As long as this situation continues, the use of science this way denigrates the value of TM to this audience and ultimately undermines the purpose of doing studies. Example: The fact I lived in the United States during this period and engaged in certain activities during this time not related to meditation also has the same correlation with the reduction of accident fatalities. What were accident statistics prior to this period, when Dome numbers were often much higher, such as during the big courses in the 1980s? I think meditation is valuable, but there are other factors in TM science that need to be eliminated before the research is solid. The quality of meditation research, even outside the TM sphere, tends to be low. From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statistical Fact: new Maharishi Meisnner-like Effect article published In the postmodern one would hope that public policy could be enlightened by science. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : These published papers are critical replications in the correlation of science. The statistical significance of a 8.4 in a million chance that these observations are just random should not be missed on people.
