IMO, about 10% of the Batgap people are very impressive, perhaps led by Harri Aalto. (looking forward to his second book). I don't see the point in making a claim for Awakening but then no following through with something to "show" for it. After all, there are an infinite number of things to consider before Awakening, but only ONE thing to consider at the transition (That everything's Pure Consciousness - "The World is Brahman, Brahman is the World"), but where is the revelation as to the infinite number of things to accomplish after the transition. Is it sufficient for people to go around saying, "I'm Awakened, I'm Awakened, I'm Awakened.....".............
In addition to the visions of Shiva, I'd like to hear somebody who has had a "Throne of God" experience, as mentioned by the Kaballists. (as mentioned by Ezekiel in the Hebrew Scriptures). How about somebody like Kirpal Singh and others in the Sant Mat Tradtiion who are capable of traveling out of their bodies at will? At the very miniimum level of accomplishment, some people believe that there are structures made by Intelligent Agents on the Moon and Mars. I challenge ANY of the Batgappers to astral travel to the Moon and Mars, then give a full report on whether their are, or are not such structures. Apart from such a simple task from supposedly Enlightened people, NO, I do not want to continually hear about how you're Awakened and I'm not buying your books.
