--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:

major snip
 
> > Many decades of conditioning have to be overcome in order to see
> this. It is a painful 
> > process. Not everyone wants to do it. No problem. Life is short, but
> time will sort this 
> > question out for future historians.
> > 
> > L B S
> >
> We'll just have to agree to disagree then. The agument that you put
> forward sounds like a variation of the "It's too subtle for you to see
> " argument that the TMO uses all the time. I have a hard time
> digesting that one anymore. Each polarity inspires and invigorates
> it's opposite and can't survive with out it. A new balance will come
> out of the extremes of left and right, or maybe we'll transcend. ;)
> The blogosphere and talk radio are now readjusting the mainstream
> media and the public will be better informed because of it.
> 
> JohnY
>
%%%%%%%%

I don't mind disagreeing on this issue, nor do I assume I have the Ultimate 
Truth about it.

However, I don't think the argument I am advancing is the "too subtle for you 
to see" 
argument. First of all, I know from your posts that that you are intelligent, 
thoughtful, and 
well-educated. You are not lacking for subtlety.

The real issue is not the subtlety of the conditioning but its pervasiveness. 
Although 
subtle forms of social conditioning are found in this society, most forms are 
actually 
rather crude and heavy-handed. It's just that we have become used to them.

Seeing this does require insight, however, it's the insight  that comes from 
sustained study 
and research, in my opinion. I  have studied the media for more than 40 years, 
during 
which time I have also been an observer-participant and seen first-hand some of 
the 
discrepencies between what happens and what gets reported.

Furthermore, I have conducted due diligence regarding the rebuttals to the 
"radical" 
framework I have been exploring, and I have generally found them to be 
reflexive and 
superficial in the general public and zealous partisanry in the power structure.

Nevertheless, it took a LONG TIME for me to accept the conclusions which 
suggested 
themselves. I still debate within myself on an almost daily basis as to where 
the boundary 
lies between the reality I was socialized into and the reality I discovered 
later.

That someone could conscientiously disagree with me does not surprise or upset. 
What I 
am expressing is, after all, a point of view; I express mine, you express 
yours. It is the 
nature of my point of view, however, to feel at this time that it is more in 
the nature of a 
responsibility to speak up than an option.

Ciao,

L B S








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