> You forget sometimes who you are talking to here.
> We're the people who actually went to TM Teacher
> Training and were taught to mindlessly repeat
> the things you're now mindlessly repeating. :-)

And this has *my* vote as Best FFL Quote of 2006 so
far!

--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > > > I think you people are missing the point,
> big-time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The very fact that someone should have to
> take out
> > > > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's
> criminal. And
> > > > > the organization that places the people of
> the world
> > > > > in that position are the criminals.
> > > > 
> > > > *******************
> > > > 
> > > > An instruction fee has always been part of
> Vedic culture. 
> > > 
> > > And that makes it OK?
> > > 
> > > You people have *really* been trained to accept
> the
> > > status quo and praise anything labeled "Vedic," 
> > > haven't you? >>
> > 
> > No you have been brainwashed and you don't even
> know it. 
> > You have been brainwashed by Christian culture
> into beleiveng 
> > that the most good is done if it is charity. 
> 
> I'll actually address this, just because it's so 
> stupid I think I can have fun doing so. :-)
> 
> First, although the *dogma* of Christian culture
> may assert such a thing, in practice, modern 
> Christianity acts in anything *but* a charitable
> manner. Much of the "born again" movement is 
> based on "Me-first-ism," to the max. It's all
> about the *individual* having an "experience of
> Christ," and about the *individual* finding a 
> "relationship with Christ." Very little of the
> teachings have to do with actually living the
> way that Christ suggested one should live, in 
> terms of serving one's fellow man. (There are
> strong exceptions to this, of course, and some
> of these churches do wonderful work, and I 
> applaud them for doing so.)
> 
> Second, since I was never a Christian and have
> always had a strong antipathy to modern Christ-
> ianity and its culture, it doesn't make a lot of 
> sense to suggest that I'd be brainwashed by it.  :-)
> 
> > This is a false notion and 
> > you are thinking like a child. 
> 
> And you assert that it's "false" based on what?
> Something you were told by TM teachers who were
> told what to tell you?  :-)
> 
> You forget sometimes who you are talking to here.
> We're the people who actually went to TM Teacher
> Training and were taught to mindlessly repeat
> the things you're now mindlessly repeating. :-)
> 
> > You need to start thinking bigger instead of this 
> > inneffective hippy idea of free communes and free 
> > love for all.
> > This will not work to help the world.
> 
> Actually, it would. But I don't think I've ever
> suggested such a thing. What I've suggested is
> that I believe that the teaching of meditation
> is *most effective*, FOR ALL CONCERNED, when it
> is done for free, with the teachers donating
> their time and/or paying for the teaching process
> themselves. I base this belief on the subjective
> experience of having done it that way, having
> done it the "other" way (the for-profit approach
> taken by TM and other groups), and on watching
> the effects of the two different teaching pro-
> cesses, on both students and teachers. My main
> reason for believing as I do is that I believe
> that teaching for free is better *for the teachers*,
> and that that which is better for them and enables 
> them to stay in a higher state of attention winds 
> up being better for the students as well.
> 
> But if I understand correctly, you've never taught
> meditation in *either* context, right?  You're
> just stating that things are FALSE and TRUE based
> *entirely* on what you've been told by others.
> Right?  :-)  :-)  :-)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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