--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >
> > That's because, IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of > > transformation to uproot vasanas. Vasana-kshaya, the obliteration > of > > subliminal tendencies (desires), takes place at a different level > of > > practice. > > > > I liked the example Alan Wallace gave in the video link posted > here > > the other day: the issue with samadhi is people would go into > these > > sublime states and be wowed by the bliss--but when they came out > of > > samadhi, they really hadn't changed! That's the problem with > > marketing something as being able to be everything and do > everything-- > > people begin to actually believe if they do something over and > over > > improvement in vasanas will just happen. Sadly, increasing prices > on > > something just reinforces the idea: 'if it is so expensive, it > must > > be because it CAN do everything.' > > > > If you're not doing practices to obliterate vasanas, then don't > > expects that to just happen. > > > I tend to agree, with one distinction. Once the practice of TM has > matured, it is like a room that we occupy, with doorways to other > areas we may wish to affect easily seen, and accessible. So although > the obliteration of subliminal tendencies is not specifically > addressed by TM, with practice, it becomes evident how to address > this. > Vaj, can you be more specific on what type of methods thjese are, or description of such. I have had specific "knowledge unfolding" in side of me, perhaps similar to what Jim is referring to, where "methods" become clear to me (not necessarily applicable for everyone) which I use with good benefit. One was specifically for vasanas, having to do with the "light and heat of attention" and deep 'hyper-breath" -- similar the type that can spontaneously arise in yogic flying. Others are mahavakaya like insights / understandings that come -- and when digested, lead to wonderful things. This inner-revelation effect seems consistant with what a Maharishi pundit told me in a jyotish reading. Ironic as it sounds, I asked the pundit about how and when I could / would find a "teacher" / guru for personal guidance. He said that for my chart, that was not necessary, that my intuition would give me all the knowledge needed -- but to just read the scriptures occaisionally to find support for what you find to be true inside of yourself. While I take everything jyotish pundits say with a grain of salt, his statement, and my own experience, do point to a "traditional" path for some, of knowledge unfoldng within -- without the benefit of a physical teacher or linnege. Do your tradition(s) recognze such, or is such seen simply as delusion? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
