--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 9, 2006, at 4:29 PM, authfriend wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:41 PM, authfriend wrote: > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>> On Jan 9, 2006, at 1:51 PM, authfriend wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> It is also similar in some ways to the chapter in Steve > >>>>>> Brigg's book (which I believe Rick had posted a while back) > >>>>>> where M. deliberately tries to test him, or so he claims. He > >>>>>> fails the test because he has not surrendered to everything > >>>>>> his guru utters. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I was left wondering if this is the similar style of testing > >>>>>> used by dictators and the like. > >>>>> > >>>>> Guilt by association is always a useful propaganda > >>>>> technique. But as I suspect you know, Vaj, "surrendering > >>>>> to the master" is not exactly an approach MMY invented; > >>>>> in fact, I believe it could even be said to be traditional. > >>>> > >>>> Actually I was thinking of Mahesh's appreciation of Hitler > >>> > >>> Uh-huh. Or that just occurred to you as a possible way > >>> to wiggle out of the guilt-by-association fallacy. > >>> > >>> I believe this is where Godwin's law comes into play... > >> > >> Perhaps, in your imagination. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law > > > >>> In any case, would you care to cite that "appreciation" > >>> for us, with sources and the details of what he is > >>> supposed to have said? > >> > >> They've been shared here. > > > > I didn't ask whether they'd been "shared here." I asked > > if you'd care to cite the "appreciation" for us, with > > sources and the details of what he is supposed to have > > said. > > > > I gather the answer is no. > > The answer is more like 'I don't keep every post I've read here on > hand, ready for retrieval.' Basically he had a real appreciation > for Hitler, to the extent that he had a student read him all of > Mein Kampf. The other person who told me this shared it off list, > and that is his story to tell, not mine.
You just said, when I asked for documentation, that it had been shared here, and that it was in previous posts you'd read. Now you say it was shared with you privately. Which is it? "Appreciation of Hitler" can mean a lot of things, depending on who's doing the appreciation and on what basis. It's not a phrase that should be cited without a good deal of context, unless one's intention is to smear the person of whom it's said. I was hoping Rick would > get back to us on it, because frankly it was one of the most > bizarre thing I had ever heard. "Just when you thought it couldn't > get any weirder". It does. Then all this world government and > reports from inside people that he is interested in world > domination? Sometime a cigar IS a cigar and megalomaniac IS a > megalomaniac. Which "inside people" are these? Is "world domination" a phrase being attributed to MMY, and if so, in what context was he using it? What did he mean by it? And remember how old he is. <snip> > >> No need to respond. It's fairly common in many guru trips. I > >> assume most are familiar with the guru-slave thing. > > > > You mean the traditional approach to enlightenment > > I mentioned? > > > > That's the approach that caused you to wonder if it > > was "the similar style of testing used by dictators > > and the like," the one Krishna describes in the Gita, > > for example? > > No, it's not unusual to hear reports of paranoid people in high > places "testing" those close to them, not out of some desire to do > them better, but because they're frickin' paranoid megalomaniacs... The context was MMY's apparent approach of teaching followers not to be attached to the goal, not "testing." *You* brought up testing--Steve Briggs' idea that MMY had been testing him--as if it were the same thing, then compared testing to dictators, then claimed MMY was an admirer of Hitler. I pointed out that "surrender to the guru" was a traditional approach to enlightenment, not something MMY had invented. You then called that traditional approach a "guru trip" and a "guru-slave thing." The strange connections here, and the subsequent reluctance to acknowledge them, are all yours. > I mean you can't help but put 2 & 2 together here: > > -history of extreme, "it's the CIA" paranoia to people who are not > CIA. Paranoid ideation. > -develops plans for his own world government with his own self- > proclaimed name/title as part of it. > -develops his own monetary system. > -talks about tearing down cities and then buying the new ones off > of him. > -gloats over a globe of the planet in his forest lair like someone > from a James Bond movie...A BAD James Bond movie with Roger Moore. > -don't touch me. No not even the feet, ok? > -surrounds himself with mad scientists. > -begins setting up millionaires as kings in his government, i.e. > acting republican. > -Bevan ...no just kidding, I like Bevan. > > etc. > > Where better to place a pathology than in the eastern slavishness > of an extreme guru/disciple relationship? And you claim *MMY* is paranoid?? Vaj, you're beginning to sound like the nutcases who went after Bill Clinton. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
