On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Welcome to high voltage cause-&-effect. :-)



And welcome to being limited by what you choose to believe.  :-)



IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, that is they  

reflect important elements that can help or hinder realization 

which are not obvious "on the surface". That's the only reason 

they are of any value. They really are specific to the practice 

we're talking about and if one has questions, one should ask 

their teacher. They'd be glad to explain why this is so and 

give examples.



In other words, they'd be happy to reinforce the beliefs

that they implanted in the students in the first place.  :-)


At a certain point, the reasons they're there become obvious. Thus the tantric saying " to ascend with the Conduct while descending with the View".



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