--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> >Yes, the whole concept of people living in supposedly rarified 
> spiritual environments supported by others turns out to be quite a 
> lie, in the case of the 'P' or 'MD' groups, for example. I like 
> what 
> Rick said about being more comfortable about the Trappist model, 
> delivering bread and stuff. And I have no problem whatsoever with 
> someone choosing to live a monastic life.
> 
> Its just that we have all heard of liberated beings doing whatever 
> they choose to do, and it surely wasn't their habits that got them 
> there, or prevented their liberation.
> 
> It is a dreamy and sugary thought to associate some sort of gentle 
> pious life with liberation, but in fact there is no connection at 
> all. None.
> 
> I have grown the most spiritually by doing *exactly* what I choose 
> to, whether that meant smoking or drinking or eating meat or 
> contemplating such actions.
> 
> All of this false piety leads to suffering in many cases, and does 
> no good whatsoever, because it doesn't resolve the bonds of 
> attachment, it only strengthens them through denial. Resolve 
> attachment through transcendence, not denial.
> 
> So as the phrase says-- eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we 
> die.

Well said.








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