--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no > > one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or > > explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the > > date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused > > by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because > > "its wrong". No coherent explanation as to why, countering the > > evidence has been presented. > > Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being > discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here > goes: > > 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are > equal and when the sun rises at true east. > > The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where > earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number > of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things > occur at different latitudes.
Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right? For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right? > Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a > light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. > > Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus > astronomers use the "equation of time". Some days it's more than 24 > hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. > 2) "precesion of the equinox" means that the position of the sun at > the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, "retreats" one > degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac > of 12 constellations every 26000 years. > > Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. > 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun > will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the > precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or > the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations > starting at the vernal equinox.) > > Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment > will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting "age of acquarius" Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. > 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- > travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n > In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires > moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal > equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the "age of aquarius"). > > Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. > > 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full "circle" around the > constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in > each constallation. > > No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works > if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, > again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus > the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did > Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. > 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun > (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its "eleptic" path around > the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter > the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are > shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are > the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. > > No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of logic. > 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- > travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 > years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 > degrees from its present position in Pisces. > > Approximately. Yes. Every thing here is approximate. > 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth > relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the > northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. > > Yeah... So you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around september? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
