--- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: > > > > > Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no > > > one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or > > > explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the > > > date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused > > > by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because > > > "its wrong". No coherent explanation as to why, countering the > > > evidence has been presented. > > > > Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being > > discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here > > goes: > > > > 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are > > equal and when the sun rises at true east. > > > > The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where > > earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number > > of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things > > occur at different latitudes. > > Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. > But they are near their most equal at VE, right? For example, > day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). And in artic > circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching > the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. > And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near > equal day and nights, right? > > > Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a > > light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. > > > > Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus > > astronomers use the "equation of time". Some days it's more than 24 > > hours, other days it's less. > > Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical > assumption of my consclusion. > > > 2) "precesion of the equinox" means that the position of the sun at > > the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, "retreats" one > > degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac > > of 12 constellations every 26000 years. > > > > Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the > ecliptic. It changes over time. > > Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical > assumption of my consclusion. > > > > 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun > > will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the > > precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or > > the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations > > starting at the vernal equinox.) > > > > Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment > > will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. > > In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting "age of > acquarius" > > Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces.
But you're saying it will eventually be in *Virgo*. > > > > 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- > > travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n > > In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires > > moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal > > equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the "age of aquarius"). > > > > Yes, sidereally. > > No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically > I believe. > > > > > 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full "circle" around the > > constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in > > each constallation. > > > > No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works > > if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, > > again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus > > the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did > > Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. > > Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical > assumption of my consclusion. > > > > > 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun > > (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its "eleptic" path around > > the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter > > the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are > > shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are > > the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. > > > > No. Long story. > > I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is > warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of > logic. http://www.astronomy.org/programs/seasons/ It isn't the distance, it's the angle at which the sun's rays strike the earth. > > > > 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- > > travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 > > years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 > > degrees from its present position in Pisces. > > > > Approximately. > > Yes. Every thing here is approximate. > > > > 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth > > relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the > > northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. > > > > Yeah... > > So you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka > around september? Tropical sun is in Virgo *every* year around September. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
