--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
> > > --- TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  I never think of such inter-
> > >> actions with teachers in terms of darshan or
> > >> transmission; it's not as if they were really
> > >> *doing* anything. All that was necessary was to
> > >> be in their presence and then "recognition" took
> > >> over. In them I could *recognize* attributes of
> > >> myself that I was not using, and they were. Same
> > >> with some of the geographical power places.
> > >
> > > Makes me think of how Fairfield's Wednesday evening
> > > satsang works.
> > 
> > Like earthworms maybe?
> > 
> > "Masters of old lashed out at those who claimed to be 
> > enlightened yet refused to be tested, calling them 
> > "earthworms living in the slime of self-validated 
> > satori"."
> > -Philip Kapleau Roshi
> > 
> > How many were tested by their teachers? would be my 
> > question--but I think I already know the answer.
> 
> Well, duh. The "tests" were devised by those who 
> were protected their followings. Whether or not
> they had any veracity depends entirely on whether
> one believes the creator of the "test." *Exactly*
> like "TM science."  :-)

I would tend to believe a test by SBS. Not sure I would bet the farm
on the test of a local Satsang leader.






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