--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Whatever floats your boat. :-) > > > > As long as we're dealing with speculation, > > In this case we are dealing with experiences. > > > I think you're pretty heavily invested in not > > being responsible for your own decisions and > > actions. Something in you doesn't believe that > > they could ever be perfect if it was "you" that > > made the decisions. So you like to believe that > > the universe goes to the trouble of making them > > all for you. > > The question is more about the 'I', and our sense of it. Thats the > whole point, not about escaping responsibility as you wrongly > insinuate. You constantly switch from a cosmic: 'Hey, all is > illussion' to a 'every viewpoint is true (except this one)' to a > dualistic: 'You think the universe does it for you' > > I am simply relating an experience. You said you have the > same but yours is even better etc. But thats not the point. > This is childish. > > And then continue to make other people responsible for all > the odds that happened to you in the past, your spiritual > misconceptions, and you complian about, why they didn't > force certain insights on you.
Has it not occurred to you that you're trying to lecture someone who in your view does not *have* free will and convince him to use that non-existent free will to change his behavior and his beliefs? Pretty silly. :-) <snip to> > I prefer the old-fashioned concepts of bhakti > and surrender,... Exactly. That has been my suggestion all along, that the philosophy you express is a matter of preference. Period. You have a predisposition to value surrender, so you had to conceive of something to surrender *to*. Voila...the universe runs everything...I can surrender to it. :-) > ...something I have never heard of you. Ah...the *real* reason you're here lecturing me. *Despite* all your talk about how everything is perfect because the universe does it all, you're here lecturing me on my imperfections, as you see them. See any inherent contradiction in this? :-) > I don't say that everybody has to go the Guru-vada, > ...but I think that anybody missing Bhakti, or a sense of > surrender in his path is lacking in depth and probably > fooling himself. And thus...dare I say it...not perfect? :-) You've gotta get *your* consistency act together, dude. Either everything's perfect or it ain't. You can't have it both ways. If the universe is running things and is perfect at every moment, then how could I be missing something? > There is no problem in fooling others, and try to appear as > great and whitty etc, but don't fool yourself. Are you suggesting that I am less than perfect? Well dude, to stay consistent with the philosophy you've been spouting the last couple of days, you'd have to say that's the universe's fault, not mine. Right? After all, according to you, *it* is making all the decisions and pulling all the strings and running things. :-) :-) :-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
