--- In [email protected], "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As you well know, all these documents were written many years after
the life 
> of Jesus, in some cases up to two centuries later (if I remember
rightly). They 
> express different ideological agendas. Whatever "lost"  book  you
are referring 
> to is no more of a guide to the historical Jesus than the canonical
gospels. It 
> just shows that there were people then, as there are now, who wished to 
> claim Jesus  as one of their own. 

Which I guess puts to doubt the entire gospels.
> 
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Feb 25, 2006, at 12:21 PM, feste37 wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It would make some gays more accepted and less marginalized.
That's a
> > >> good thing, no?
> > >
> > > Not if you're just making it up, no. People who say Jesus may have  
> > > been a
> > > homosexual are simply trying to spin non-existent historical facts  
> > > to  make
> > > them fit what they think is desirable. Doesn't sound very
scholarly  
> > > to me. I
> > > thought you were supposed to be a scholar, in which case I would
have
> > > thought you would value truth, where it can be known, over pointless
> > > speculation.
> > 
> > Is it "pointless speculation" to ask:
> > 
> > Can an open heart *exclude*?
> > 
> > Did Jesus have an open heart?
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > Well, no, I'm not "making it up". The "gospels" have been edited,
and  
> > the potentially homosexual parts were removed from Mark. We know  
> > because we found an old copy before the church got it's hands on it.
> > 
> > Maybe Jesus was an androgyne, I don't know. It's the open hearted  
> > revolutionary that I liked. I have little interest in bending knee
to  
> > a guy on a torture device.
> >
>






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