--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
<jyouells@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > <jyouells@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
<sparaig@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > <jstein@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj 
<vajranatha@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The part that I liked was:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > "People are being charged thousands of dollars 
for 
> > > > mantras 
> > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > have been traditionally been given as a gift from 
a 
> > > > teacher 
> > > > > > to a 
> > > > > > > > > > sincere student."
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > ...which is an obvious stab at 'you know who'. 
And it 
> > is 
> > > > true.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Uh, no, it's not.  What you pay for when you learn
> > > > > > > > > TM is instruction in the use of the mantra, not the
> > > > > > > > > mantra itself, as you know.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What you really pay for is lifetime membership in the 
> > TMO, 
> > > > > > starting 
> > > > > > > > with a short period where the TM teacher goes through 
the 
> > > > motions 
> > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > teaching TM that they learned, while interacting with 
you 
> > in 
> > > > the 
> > > > > > way 
> > > > > > > > that they learned from the TMO.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Actually with recertification many have effectively 
lost 
> > their
> > > > > > > 'lifetime membership'. No centers, no *official* 
teachers, 
> > no
> > > > > > > lectures. I still maintain contact with many local 
> > meditators 
> > > > but I
> > > > > > > don't believe that I can even *officially* check the 
> > meditation 
> > > > of
> > > > > > > people that I have not initiated. Sounds like they need 
a 
> > > > > > *recertified
> > > > > > > lifetime membership* to me. Hell, I don't even have a 
> > lifetime
> > > > > > > membership, after 33+ years and many, many thousands of 
> > dollars 
> > > > and
> > > > > > > thousand of hours of work....
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tucson, ARizona has 2 recertified teachers living here. 
If 
> > they 
> > > > can 
> > > > > > pull it off here, they can pullit off in just about any 
venue 
> > > > where 
> > > > > > they are projecting a peace pallace eventually being 
built.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sure. A million here, a million there and pretty soon it 
adds 
> > up to
> > > > > real money. :-) No wonder it's so easy to decieve the 
willing...
> > > > > 
> > > > > JohnY
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > What has that to do with what I said? I thought you were 
saying 
> > that 
> > > > there would be no TM teachers available in most places. There 
are 
> > two 
> > > > available in Tucson, AZ. That's a pretty out-of-the-way 
place, 
> > > > compared to the rest of the country.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > I was referring to "projecting a peace pallace eventually being
> > > built". That means either 1.5 mill or 3 mill (can't remember). 
I 
> > know
> > > of no recerts within 100+ miles.
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > >
> > 
> > And I said exactly what I meant. If 2 TM teachers can make it in 
> > Tucson, they can make it in anyplace where a peace pallace is 
> > *projected* to be built. I said nothing about the building of the 
> > peace pallace.
> >
> 
> I don't think they've made it yet. There actually has to be either
> teaching, or preferably donating and building. Otherwise the plans
> will change quickly. If plans are "making it", I quess they're doing
> fine. That's the point. 

Define "some teaching." I asked and was told that there have been a 
few initiations since they got there. How many do you want? Enough 
for them to get the promised income? that would be nice, but not 
required for there to be a steady TM presence here, I think.






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