On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:27 PM, sparaig wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are
> effortless
> > >>> and do not require concentration.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here
> sometime
> > >> ago. TM is *easy* but not truly effortless.
> > >>
> > >
> > > BS. No effort is required to do TM. Some effort mayhappen on
> > > occasssion, and obsessing about how much or how little, if any, is
> > > detrimental, but no effort is required.
> > >
> > > And there are many *easy*
> > >
> > >> meditation methods out there and there are *effortless* forms of
> > >> meditation but they are not necessarily *easy* to do correctly.
> > >>
> > >> It seems like we're mincing words when we talk about this, but
> > >>
> > > styles
> > >
> > >> of meditation which are truly effortless are typically forms of
> non-
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >> meditation. And there is a big difference.
> > >>
> > >> Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some
> effort.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > So what did he say exactly?
> >
> > It wasn't me who responded. Is this yet another example of Judy
> and
> > Lawson's selective memory? You were here too--this conversation
> > occurred after the alt.med.tm diaspora. :-)
> >
>
> I'm asking YOU what you read.

I read lots of things. Your point?



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